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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 5704829" data-attributes="member: 6669384">The person Aiding needs to &quot;Take 20&quot; once for each time the primary person attempts the check.&nbsp; Since &quot;Take 20&quot; presumes that you are, in essence, attempting 20 times, that's 20 x 20, or 400.So yeah, in essence your time consumed is 400 times longer than a single check.&nbsp; Try it and see.&nbsp; Roll a D20 with each hand, and count how many times it takes to roll 20s on each at the same time.On average, you'll get a single 20 once every twenty rolls.&nbsp; On average, you'll get the double 20 once in 400 rolls.Now, let's assume that it's only the person Aiding who takes 20, and the primary worker isn't.&nbsp; The primary worker still needs to make a skill check once for each of the 20 checks in the &quot;Take 20&quot; of the aiding person.&nbsp; So the Aid might get his 20 on a check when the primary person rolled lousy.&nbsp; Dice work that way sometimes.So it still takes more than 20 times as long.&nbsp; It takes 20 times as long *times* the number of times it takes for the primary to roll well enough to succeed with the Aid of another.&nbsp; And if they can't succeed without that +2, it means that they need a 19 or higher, so they're pretty much doing a Take 20 of their own anyway.&nbsp; Which brings us back to &quot;Take 400&quot;.&nbsp; (You want to argue for &quot;Take 380&quot;, I won't fight you.&nbsp; It's still ridiculous.)But the whole thing can be simplified nicely.The rules say you can't &quot;Take 10&quot; or &quot;Take 20&quot; when aiding another on a skill check.&nbsp; That should settle it.&nbsp; (Not that I believe it will, of course.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 5704829, member: 6669384"] The person Aiding needs to "Take 20" once for each time the primary person attempts the check. Since "Take 20" presumes that you are, in essence, attempting 20 times, that's 20 x 20, or 400. So yeah, in essence your time consumed is 400 times longer than a single check. Try it and see. Roll a D20 with each hand, and count how many times it takes to roll 20s on each at the same time. On average, you'll get a single 20 once every twenty rolls. On average, you'll get the double 20 once in 400 rolls. Now, let's assume that it's only the person Aiding who takes 20, and the primary worker isn't. The primary worker still needs to make a skill check once for each of the 20 checks in the "Take 20" of the aiding person. So the Aid might get his 20 on a check when the primary person rolled lousy. Dice work that way sometimes. So it still takes more than 20 times as long. It takes 20 times as long *times* the number of times it takes for the primary to roll well enough to succeed with the Aid of another. And if they can't succeed without that +2, it means that they need a 19 or higher, so they're pretty much doing a Take 20 of their own anyway. Which brings us back to "Take 400". (You want to argue for "Take 380", I won't fight you. It's still ridiculous.) But the whole thing can be simplified nicely. The rules say you can't "Take 10" or "Take 20" when aiding another on a skill check. That should settle it. (Not that I believe it will, of course.) [/QUOTE]

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