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<blockquote data-quote="Patryn of Elvenshae" data-source="post: 5704958" data-attributes="member: 23094">Citation, please?Or, rather, review the rules on taking 20.&nbsp; At the end of a Take 20 Aid Another attempt* (which takes 20 times as long as a single Aid Another attempt), you are treated as having rolled a 20 on your check to Aid Another.If you are attempting to do something which takes a standard action, it therefore takes 20 rounds - 2 minutes - to Take 20 on that thing.And Take 20 does not assume any rolling.&nbsp; Rather, it assumes &quot;fail, fail, fail, fail, fail, ..., fail, result as if you had rolled a 20.&quot;It in no way assumes that you, in practice, roll every number - elsewise, if you take 20 at something you would have succeeded at on a roll of a 1, why don't you automatically succeed after a single round?And folks, I know statistics; let's not start waving math credentials around at each other.&nbsp; The 400 rolls thing is ridiculous.* Putting aside, for the moment, the Rules Compendium change that you cannot Take 20 on an Aid Another attempt.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Patryn of Elvenshae, post: 5704958, member: 23094"] Citation, please? Or, rather, review the rules on taking 20. At the end of a Take 20 Aid Another attempt* (which takes 20 times as long as a single Aid Another attempt), you are treated as having rolled a 20 on your check to Aid Another. If you are attempting to do something which takes a standard action, it therefore takes 20 rounds - 2 minutes - to Take 20 on that thing. And Take 20 does not assume any rolling. Rather, it assumes "fail, fail, fail, fail, fail, ..., fail, result as if you had rolled a 20." It in no way assumes that you, in practice, roll every number - elsewise, if you take 20 at something you would have succeeded at on a roll of a 1, why don't you automatically succeed after a single round? And folks, I know statistics; let's not start waving math credentials around at each other. The 400 rolls thing is ridiculous. * Putting aside, for the moment, the Rules Compendium change that you cannot Take 20 on an Aid Another attempt. [/QUOTE]

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