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<blockquote data-quote="Pentius" data-source="post: 5712897" data-attributes="member: 6676736"><p>I'm pretty sure I get the point you're trying to make, and I feel I've tried to discuss it fairly.&nbsp; The thing is, though, it just isn't a fundamental difference to me.&nbsp; It is to you, I get that.&nbsp; You like HP as wounds and 3e works for you in that light and 4e does not.&nbsp; But I do not like HP as wounds, nor does either game work for me if I were try and use it that way(meanwhile, both work fine for me if I use HP abstractly).&nbsp; The distinction is not fundamental to me, because the outcome is not changed.&nbsp; If i use either system with HP as wounds, it doesn't work for me.&nbsp; If I use either system with HP as abstract, it does work for me.&nbsp; Surges make no difference in these equations and therefore I do not see them as fundamental, but rather, superficial.&nbsp; I am not saying arsenic doesn't make an overcooked burger worse, I am saying a little more arsenic sauce does not make a burger made entirely of arsenic any more fatal.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Pentius, post: 5712897, member: 6676736"] I'm pretty sure I get the point you're trying to make, and I feel I've tried to discuss it fairly. The thing is, though, it just isn't a fundamental difference to me. It is to you, I get that. You like HP as wounds and 3e works for you in that light and 4e does not. But I do not like HP as wounds, nor does either game work for me if I were try and use it that way(meanwhile, both work fine for me if I use HP abstractly). The distinction is not fundamental to me, because the outcome is not changed. If i use either system with HP as wounds, it doesn't work for me. If I use either system with HP as abstract, it does work for me. Surges make no difference in these equations and therefore I do not see them as fundamental, but rather, superficial. I am not saying arsenic doesn't make an overcooked burger worse, I am saying a little more arsenic sauce does not make a burger made entirely of arsenic any more fatal. [/QUOTE]

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