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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JamesonCourage" data-source="post: 5714578" data-attributes="member: 6668292">Well, you challenged people to match the narrative scenario that you presented using 3.X. Narrative is defined as:Within the actual narrative, it's exactly the same. The mechanics don't line up, but the warrior getting hit and knocked prone, blacking out for a moment, his friends fighting the troll back but still getting attacked, and then the warrior rising to his feat and rushing (hitting it with a sword and then a shield) is exactly the same. The narrative is identical.Saying, "no, it's not identical because the mechanics are different" is missing the point of what narrative means in this discussion. Yes, the mechanics are different. No, 3.X can't -by RAW- copy 4e's healing surge mechanics. However, the narrative provided by you can definitely be achieved in 3.X -that is, the story is the same either way.This is where I was originally saying 3.X has more narrative space when it comes to wounds. They have a major story path that 4e does not: wounds that take a while to heal. This can drastically alter the path of the story. You can have your cleric captured, dropped, or killed. You can be a rogue that's scouting ahead that gets dropped low on HP and is separated from the party's healer. The mechanic of slow healing makes a large impact on the narrative of the game, and having that as a possible narrative path that might unfold has been the point all along.I think you've mixed narrative with "description":I think Herremann and I have mostly been addressing the story paths available through the mechanics, not the description of such, though you keep bringing it back to that. I try to avoid throwing definitions around in these discussions, because people tend to think I'm arguing semantics, even if I just intend to clear up the dialogue.Narrative does not mean description. You use description in your narrative, but they are not the same thing in the context they have been used. I'm talking about different story paths that the mechanics aid you in, and you're talking about descriptions of wounds. They're not the same. So, yes, you're asking about description in your thread, and that's fine, but it's still not addressing what we were discussing, which is story.I still hold that the narrative of your example and mine were the same, and no amounts of "nuh-uh" is really going to change my mind on that one. The story was the same. The mechanics were different. If you're looking to see if 3.X and 4e can have the same narrative evolve based on your description of the fight, it most certainly can. If you're asking if the mechanics are the same, then, well, of course they aren't. But how does that really matter in the discussion?As always, play what you like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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