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<blockquote data-quote="photon1966" data-source="post: 27251" data-attributes="member: 1575">When the PC originally searches for traps, have him only discover the needle; require a second search check if he wants to look for more traps.I think this is also an improper way of dealing with DD.&nbsp; When one searches and area 5x5 area as I recall per check.&nbsp; I know my players would search the area as well as the chest.&nbsp; Now fine if they fail to notice the trap because of a roll but simple assuming they didn't look there as they didn't say they did is bad form as&nbsp; the game is abstract.&nbsp; That is not worrying about every little detail.&nbsp; Sure for colour and flavour adding some of these elements is fine but using them against the party isn't.&nbsp; Taking 10 is a great way to speed things up, like when the party is searching an area, or they have encountered similar traps before.&nbsp; In fact that is a better way to &quot;get them&quot; is allow their complaceny to kill them.&nbsp; what I mean is have an area where all they keep encountering is spear traps of the same design, then through in a block trap dropping from above.&nbsp; So sure they get shields and stand out of the way for the hurling spears, but thats just where the block(s) will fall.&nbsp; Then go back to having the spear traps.&nbsp; They'll never know when one of these apparent spear is a block trap unless some really good rolls or smart ideas.Players who are clever should be rewarded.&nbsp; Plus the Rogues DD skill is one of their shinning points, and as said before you don't take away a fighters combat or a mages spells, you simple make if a challenge, put the fighter on ice, ie Balance checks, weather and harassing attacks on the mage needs Concentration checks.&nbsp; Think the same way for the rogue, put traps that are a challenge in an interesting way, don't just put a higher difficulty number.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="photon1966, post: 27251, member: 1575"] When the PC originally searches for traps, have him only discover the needle; require a second search check if he wants to look for more traps. I think this is also an improper way of dealing with DD. When one searches and area 5x5 area as I recall per check. I know my players would search the area as well as the chest. Now fine if they fail to notice the trap because of a roll but simple assuming they didn't look there as they didn't say they did is bad form as the game is abstract. That is not worrying about every little detail. Sure for colour and flavour adding some of these elements is fine but using them against the party isn't. Taking 10 is a great way to speed things up, like when the party is searching an area, or they have encountered similar traps before. In fact that is a better way to "get them" is allow their complaceny to kill them. what I mean is have an area where all they keep encountering is spear traps of the same design, then through in a block trap dropping from above. So sure they get shields and stand out of the way for the hurling spears, but thats just where the block(s) will fall. Then go back to having the spear traps. They'll never know when one of these apparent spear is a block trap unless some really good rolls or smart ideas. Players who are clever should be rewarded. Plus the Rogues DD skill is one of their shinning points, and as said before you don't take away a fighters combat or a mages spells, you simple make if a challenge, put the fighter on ice, ie Balance checks, weather and harassing attacks on the mage needs Concentration checks. Think the same way for the rogue, put traps that are a challenge in an interesting way, don't just put a higher difficulty number. [/QUOTE]

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