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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 3545645" data-attributes="member: 2525">Umm...that's exactly what hiding while nobody is around involves.&nbsp; You find a bush when nobody is around.&nbsp; You hide in it.&nbsp; Then someone comes around.&nbsp; You have not moved.&nbsp; The shadows are just as they were.&nbsp; They cover is just as it was.&nbsp; They make a spot check, but it's against your previous hide check, not a new one.&nbsp; It's the same situation as a disguise check.&nbsp; You should be able to take 10 on it.Only if you are attempting the hide check at the time that someone else is around.&nbsp; Not if you are doing it in advance for an ambush.No he doesn't.&nbsp; There is nothing in the hide check that says you only make it when someone is trying to spot you.&nbsp; Just like disguise, you can make the check when nobody else is around, and then the opposed check can happen later when someone is around and tries to observe you.The danger of being caught some time in the future is not a threat or distraction.&nbsp; Threat and distraction imply imminence.Yes they can.&nbsp; Just like disguise.&nbsp; This &quot;worry about the future = threat or distraction&quot; just doesn't make sense.&nbsp; &quot;Worried&quot; isn't what they mean.If you try to hide when the monster is around, then sure it's a threat.&nbsp; But if you prepare an ambush in advance by hiding when the monster isn't around, then the monster is not a threat to your hide check.&nbsp; Unless you are called on to make another hide check when the monster is around...which can happen if you start moving, particularly between cover or concealment.In my games, PCs, and frankly more often NPCs, lay in wait for an ambush.&nbsp; In those cases, it makes perfect sense to take 10.&nbsp; I think you are not considering all the likely uses of the hide skill.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 3545645, member: 2525"] Umm...that's exactly what hiding while nobody is around involves. You find a bush when nobody is around. You hide in it. Then someone comes around. You have not moved. The shadows are just as they were. They cover is just as it was. They make a spot check, but it's against your previous hide check, not a new one. It's the same situation as a disguise check. You should be able to take 10 on it. Only if you are attempting the hide check at the time that someone else is around. Not if you are doing it in advance for an ambush. No he doesn't. There is nothing in the hide check that says you only make it when someone is trying to spot you. Just like disguise, you can make the check when nobody else is around, and then the opposed check can happen later when someone is around and tries to observe you. The danger of being caught some time in the future is not a threat or distraction. Threat and distraction imply imminence. Yes they can. Just like disguise. This "worry about the future = threat or distraction" just doesn't make sense. "Worried" isn't what they mean. If you try to hide when the monster is around, then sure it's a threat. But if you prepare an ambush in advance by hiding when the monster isn't around, then the monster is not a threat to your hide check. Unless you are called on to make another hide check when the monster is around...which can happen if you start moving, particularly between cover or concealment. In my games, PCs, and frankly more often NPCs, lay in wait for an ambush. In those cases, it makes perfect sense to take 10. I think you are not considering all the likely uses of the hide skill. [/QUOTE]

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