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<blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 3546221" data-attributes="member: 9789">Exactly!&nbsp; Mistwell's example about the license plate is not how knowledge checks work:&nbsp; what would be more like it is if someone asked your plate's number while jumping up and down and that determined if you ever knew it, ever.Actually, I think under a strict reading of RAW, that's the case.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; It's like never actually having to sleep unless you are regaining spells.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />As for all the hide-check shenanigans:Mistwell, I believe you're saying that a hide check can be made in advance, and since its done without threat, you can take 10.&nbsp; Transit, I believe you're saying that a hide check is always a reactive check, and you don't actually make a hide check until someone can spot you - therefore, it is always made under duress, and you cannot take 10.The hide skill description itself is not helpful in determining when you actually make a hide check, except that it is &quot;normally&quot; made &quot;as part of movement.&quot;&nbsp; This seems to lend credence to Transit's POV, but it's certainly not irrefutable, especially since invisibility adds 40 to your hide check &quot;if you are immobile.&quot;The real answer, of course, is that this is the beginning of another thread topic.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="evilbob, post: 3546221, member: 9789"] Exactly! Mistwell's example about the license plate is not how knowledge checks work: what would be more like it is if someone asked your plate's number while jumping up and down and that determined if you [I]ever[/I] knew it, ever. Actually, I think under a strict reading of RAW, that's the case. :) It's like never actually having to sleep unless you are regaining spells. ;) As for all the hide-check shenanigans: Mistwell, I believe you're saying that a hide check can be made in advance, and since its done without threat, you can take 10. Transit, I believe you're saying that a hide check is always a reactive check, and you don't actually [I]make[/I] a hide check until someone can spot you - therefore, it is always made under duress, and you cannot take 10. The hide skill description itself is not helpful in determining [I]when[/I] you actually make a hide check, except that it is "normally" made "as part of movement." This seems to lend credence to Transit's POV, but it's certainly not irrefutable, especially since [I]invisibility[/I] adds 40 to your hide check "if you are immobile." The real answer, of course, is that this is the beginning of another thread topic. :) [/QUOTE]

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