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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 588399" data-attributes="member: 1465">I still have a problem with Take 10 in Knowledge. If I understand correctly, you can Take 10 when you are not in a rush or anyway when the situation is not stressing or de-concentrating (such as while fighting, while riding a horse, while running away...). It has officially nothing to do with retries.A Knowledge check anyway is done to see if you know the answer on a topic, not if you remember, or is it the opposite? I always thought so, exactly because you can't retry a knowledge check on the same topic (let's not talk about house rules, but just to let you know, I would like that you could retry the same check when you have gained another rank in Knowledge).If the check is to see if the answer to the topic belongs to your knowledge, how could it depend on the situation? Example: in the middle of a battle, the Cleric notice an unholy symbol on his opponent's shield, can't take 10 in Knowledge(Religion) because he's in combat, and fails the check: he can't tell what symbol it is. If he had waited until the end of the battle, with taking 10 he would have recognized the symbol, but now he can't anymore, because you can't retry a Knowledge check.Wait... now that I think... is Take 10 a "check"? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The "take 1" consideration is true, and in fact I don't necessarily like it either, but at least it's 9 points less. In PHB the Knowledge DCs start from 10 for "very basic questions", so to know EVERY very basic answer you still need a +9 in that Knowledge, which is IMHO a BIG bonus (either you must be medium-level or exceptionally clever, and of course very focused in the skill).If you can take 10 in Knowledge, with 1 rank only (and at least Int 8) you can answer every basic questions in the field. It can be, they are very basic after all, but if you could NOT take 10, you would still know approximately more than 50%. Sorry if I dislike the idea of 100% <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------About libraries: I think it really goes beyond the Knowledge skill itself, although a skilled PC must be somehow facilitated in finding the wanted information among hundreds of books. But I think it could better be a Search check, although a high rank in Kn. should give some advantage.Having the right book with THE answer you're looking for doesn't even make you roll the check*, but it may require you a check to find/discern the answer among the rest.*I mean, if I tell you the answer, which bonus do you get to say the answer? +oo? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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