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<blockquote data-quote="Vegepygmy" data-source="post: 5685791" data-attributes="member: 40109">Except, you know, where it explicitly says the opposite.&nbsp;It is analagous, but you've got the analogy backwards. Hide is to Spot as Use Rope is to Escape Artist (not Escape Artist is to Use Rope, as you're trying to make it). You don't make a Hide check until someone tries to Spot you, just as you don't make a Use Rope check until someone tries to Escape Artist their way free.&nbsp;But even if we reverse the analogy, an unconscious prisoner isn't making any Escape Artist checks (so there can be no opposed check), while a stationary assassin is making (or has made) a Hide check.&nbsp;Good points. Obviously, some people play differently than others / have a different tolerance for metagaming.&nbsp;Personally, I prefer to make Search checks for my players for the exact reasons you articulate and would consider what Lidda's player is doing to be metagaming (though I have no problem with a player telling me they want to take 20 to insure that they do the best they possibly can). I know many others, however, who detest having the DM roll any dice for the players.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Vegepygmy, post: 5685791, member: 40109"] Except, you know, where it explicitly says the opposite. It [I]is[/I] analagous, but you've got the analogy backwards. Hide is to Spot as Use Rope is to Escape Artist (not Escape Artist is to Use Rope, as you're trying to make it). You don't make a Hide check until someone tries to Spot you, just as you don't make a Use Rope check until someone tries to Escape Artist their way free. But even if we reverse the analogy, an unconscious prisoner isn't making any Escape Artist checks (so there can be no [I]opposed[/I] check), while a stationary assassin [I]is[/I] making (or has made) a Hide check. Good points. Obviously, some people play differently than others / have a different tolerance for metagaming. Personally, I prefer to make Search checks for my players for the exact reasons you articulate and would consider what Lidda's player is doing to be metagaming (though I have no problem with a player telling me they want to take 20 to insure that they do the best they possibly can). I know many others, however, who detest having the DM roll [I]any[/I] dice for the players. [/QUOTE]

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