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<blockquote data-quote="Dannorn" data-source="post: 6301903" data-attributes="member: 6762594">Given hours to place the dagger on yourself and inspect your reflection to see how well it's hidden (how I'd assume you'd go about it) I'd say you could take 20, not sure where the +2 is coming from, but it would be 20 + SoH for your total check (and the DC for someone to spot it).Though honestly I'd just have a player tell me where they're concealing the dagger and dictate the DC to spot it, say tucked in the back waistband under a coat would be 25 where as tucked in their boot might be 15.&nbsp; As opposed to them making a check, saves time as well as avoiding ridiculous mid 30 numbers like you mentioned.Now on the flip side I'd also put penalties on you for retrieving it unnoticed since you spent so much effort to ensure it's hidden, as opposed to a take 10 which I'd see as taking the same amount of time but compromising concealment and accessibility.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dannorn, post: 6301903, member: 6762594"] Given hours to place the dagger on yourself and inspect your reflection to see how well it's hidden (how I'd assume you'd go about it) I'd say you could take 20, not sure where the +2 is coming from, but it would be 20 + SoH for your total check (and the DC for someone to spot it). Though honestly I'd just have a player tell me where they're concealing the dagger and dictate the DC to spot it, say tucked in the back waistband under a coat would be 25 where as tucked in their boot might be 15. As opposed to them making a check, saves time as well as avoiding ridiculous mid 30 numbers like you mentioned. Now on the flip side I'd also put penalties on you for retrieving it unnoticed since you spent so much effort to ensure it's hidden, as opposed to a take 10 which I'd see as taking the same amount of time but compromising concealment and accessibility. [/QUOTE]

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