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<blockquote data-quote="Pielorinho" data-source="post: 2698046" data-attributes="member: 259"><p>If we're dealing with the apple pie contest, and if we assume that the judging is blind until the winning pie is chosen, then the rogue with no ranks in cooking and a high bluff check is likelier to bake a winning-but-not-incredible pie than the half-orc barbarian baker with max ranks in Profession: pastry-chef. I don't like that at all.</p><p></p><p>In this example, it's easy to imagine that Thogg remembers a recipe for a pie that he found many years ago on the body of a dismembered halfling: while the pie was pretty decent, it used boarfat in the crust instead of the rendered beholderkin lard that is Thogg's signature touch. Thogg, by using boarfat instead of beholderkin lard, is acting in a standard, studious manner--but he's not doing as well as he normally does when he follows his standard recipe.</p><p></p><p>I'd definitely allow him to take 10 with whatever circumstance penalty he desired.</p><p></p><p>Other circumstances:</p><p>-A villain forces you to forge a will declaring her to be the King's sole heir; you forge them, but you put some flaw in them that the king's advisor is likely to notice.</p><p>-You've been captured, and your captor is forcing you to march on a precarious path. You deliberately fail your balance check on a narrow ledge, hoping to follow up with a Diplomacy check to convince your captor to untie your arms.</p><p>-YOur party mates are bugging the heck out of you, trying to get you to use Diplomacy to convince the princess to sneak off with them. You make a halfhearted attempt in order to get them off your back.</p><p></p><p>It's not something I've ever seen come up, but if it did, I certainly think it'd add to the fun, not be overpowering, and be easily explained within the rules. I can't think of a good reason to disallow it.</p><p></p><p>Daniel</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pielorinho, post: 2698046, member: 259"] If we're dealing with the apple pie contest, and if we assume that the judging is blind until the winning pie is chosen, then the rogue with no ranks in cooking and a high bluff check is likelier to bake a winning-but-not-incredible pie than the half-orc barbarian baker with max ranks in Profession: pastry-chef. I don't like that at all. In this example, it's easy to imagine that Thogg remembers a recipe for a pie that he found many years ago on the body of a dismembered halfling: while the pie was pretty decent, it used boarfat in the crust instead of the rendered beholderkin lard that is Thogg's signature touch. Thogg, by using boarfat instead of beholderkin lard, is acting in a standard, studious manner--but he's not doing as well as he normally does when he follows his standard recipe. I'd definitely allow him to take 10 with whatever circumstance penalty he desired. Other circumstances: -A villain forces you to forge a will declaring her to be the King's sole heir; you forge them, but you put some flaw in them that the king's advisor is likely to notice. -You've been captured, and your captor is forcing you to march on a precarious path. You deliberately fail your balance check on a narrow ledge, hoping to follow up with a Diplomacy check to convince your captor to untie your arms. -YOur party mates are bugging the heck out of you, trying to get you to use Diplomacy to convince the princess to sneak off with them. You make a halfhearted attempt in order to get them off your back. It's not something I've ever seen come up, but if it did, I certainly think it'd add to the fun, not be overpowering, and be easily explained within the rules. I can't think of a good reason to disallow it. Daniel [/QUOTE]
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