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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arkhandus" data-source="post: 3323359" data-attributes="member: 13966">*sigh*Such a petty argument against the Fochlucan Lyrist, which is basically the 3E version of the 1E bard.  If they gain druid spells from the class, what's wrong flavor-wise from requiring some druid levels beforehand?  And so far as I know, didn't 1E bards need some significant levels usually, by the rules as written, before they could become bards?  I just don't see the logic for your dislike of the prestige class........If you are in dire need of a standard 3E bard with druid spells, and simply must have it even if you have to gouge out poor Odin's one remaining eye to get it, then fine.Drop bard skill points to 4 + Int mod.  Lower Reflex save to poor.  Remove armor and shield proficiencies from the bard.  Remove the no-arcane-spell-failure-in-light-armor benefit.  Reduce number of bardic music uses per day to equal 1/2 bard level, rounded up.  Reduce bardic music bonus to Intelligence modifier + 1/2 bard level, rounded up.  Remove all spells from the bard spell list that are not exclusive to bards.  Add to bard spell list all druid spells from 0th to 6th level.  Keep bard spellcasting otherwise as-is, including it being arcane despite its basic effects (not like fey themselves don't become sorcerers on occasion, being innately magical).Then, just maybe, possibly, the Bard might've lost enough general utility and prowess to compensate for the significant direct-offense and direct-defense boost of nitroglycerine that the Druid spell list will be giving him.  Because I know you'd just spit if anyone insisted the Bard must give up his decent Base Attack Bonus advancement for that raw eldritch power.*flame strikes the bard in derision and escapes through an obscuring mist and tree stride*</blockquote>

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