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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dalamar" data-source="post: 5568269" data-attributes="member: 358">Just yesterday, I ran a game where I eliminated ability scores altogether. I wanted the characters to be exceptionally good, so I set the modifiers to attack and damage both at level +5 (level getting halved for multitarget and multiattacks), plus proficiency bonus for weapon attacks.I also set skills to five skills (plus automatics from race and/or class) at level +5, five skills at level +3 and the rest at level. This gives me the added bonus of allowing the skills to be used as attack scores for improvised attacks.I set hitpoint and surge determination so that defenders had an effective Con 16, strikers and leaders a Con 14 and controllers a Con 12.For Defenses I let the players choose one of Fort, Ref and Will at an ability score of +4, one at +3 and the last at +2, with AC using the same stat as Ref (or the same as Fort in the case of the group's earthstrength warden), added class and racial bonuses, and full level. And armour, of course.The players all enjoyed, and battles seemed to go quickly, though we did start at level two, and the two battles that we had only contained level 1 creatures and level 1 minions.As a parting note, I'd like to point out that the Player's Strategy Guide WotC published some time ago says that players are expected to have attacks against AC at level + 6, attacks against NADs at level + 4, AC at level + 15, and NADs at level + 13</blockquote>

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