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<blockquote data-quote="ARandomGod" data-source="post: 2479207" data-attributes="member: 17296">I disagree, a hero, while not defined soley by ability scores, is indeed in large part defined by having those scores as a base. THE best is different than &quot;ok&quot;. Sure, an ok person gan be fun and challenging.... but now you're asking for fun and challenge, not a hero! And my suggested system doesn't penalize what you are listing as your prefered method, why would you insist on penalizing mine?As for &quot;a huge advantage&quot;... I've played against plenty of monsters who had better than an 18 as a base ability score.Interesting... I've never seen anyone playing a mage or sorc using a 25 or higher point buy system (the lowest I've vowed I'd ever play) NOT come to the table with an 18... The one time I did it barely counts because we were given the option to roll and then point buy if you scrap the rolled character, and I kept the roll (which had only a 17 to put in int).Ahem... the points at levels does seem an interesting one, but one I'd have to look at with a more detailed eye than I'm prepared to go into at the moment. I will say that I've seen systems that had a gradual progression of ability stats and no stat modifier items, and it was fun. As long as everyone get's 'em, and at least some opponents do too, it's all good.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ARandomGod, post: 2479207, member: 17296"] I disagree, a hero, while not defined soley by ability scores, is indeed in large part defined by having those scores as a base. THE best is different than "ok". Sure, an ok person gan be fun and challenging.... but now you're asking for fun and challenge, not a hero! And my suggested system doesn't penalize what you are listing as your prefered method, why would you insist on penalizing mine? As for "a huge advantage"... I've played against plenty of monsters who had better than an 18 as a base ability score. Interesting... I've never seen anyone playing a mage or sorc using a 25 or higher point buy system (the lowest I've vowed I'd ever play) NOT come to the table with an 18... The one time I did it barely counts because we were given the option to roll and then point buy if you scrap the rolled character, and I kept the roll (which had only a 17 to put in int). Ahem... the points at levels does seem an interesting one, but one I'd have to look at with a more detailed eye than I'm prepared to go into at the moment. I will say that I've seen systems that had a gradual progression of ability stats and no stat modifier items, and it was fun. As long as everyone get's 'em, and at least some opponents do too, it's all good. [/QUOTE]

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