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<blockquote data-quote="Samir" data-source="post: 5231053" data-attributes="member: 84965">You usually know where a nearby creature is as long as it's not hidden from you.Being outside of line of sight, invisible, or otherwise totally concealed from you doesn't automatically make you hidden from everybody else. Your loud clomping around tells everyone else where you are, unless you attempt to suppress it by making a stealth check.If your DM makes you roll stealth checks to become hidden (as he should), I think it makes perfect sense that the monsters stick to the same system. Having monsters suddenly disappear because they ducked around a corner turns Brutes into Lurkers and completely devalues the Perception skill.<a href="http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/UpdatePH.pdf" target="_blank">The Stealth rules were updated</a> (see the pages labeled 50 and 54 for Stealth and Targeting What You Can't See). You only have to guess a square when the invisible monster is also hidden from you. Invisibility gives a creature total concealment (amongst other useful things), which enables it to roll a Stealth check to attempt to become hidden. If it rolls Stealth and it is higher than your passive Perception, and you also failed to detect it with a minor action Perception check on your turn, then the DM should take it off the board and you have to start guessing squares to attack.Otherwise, you know exactly which square the invisible creature is in, though you will take a -5 penalty to melee and ranged attacks against it since it has total concealment against you (see PHB 282 for more information).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Samir, post: 5231053, member: 84965"] You usually know where a nearby creature is as long as it's not hidden from you. Being outside of line of sight, invisible, or otherwise totally concealed from you doesn't automatically make you hidden from everybody else. Your loud clomping around tells everyone else where you are, unless you attempt to suppress it by making a stealth check. If your DM makes you roll stealth checks to become hidden (as he should), I think it makes perfect sense that the monsters stick to the same system. Having monsters suddenly disappear because they ducked around a corner turns Brutes into Lurkers and completely devalues the Perception skill. [URL="http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/UpdatePH.pdf"]The Stealth rules were updated[/URL] (see the pages labeled 50 and 54 for Stealth and Targeting What You Can't See). You only have to guess a square when the invisible monster is also hidden from you. Invisibility gives a creature total concealment (amongst other useful things), which enables it to roll a Stealth check to attempt to become hidden. If it rolls Stealth and it is higher than your passive Perception, and you also failed to detect it with a minor action Perception check on your turn, then the DM should take it off the board and you have to start guessing squares to attack. Otherwise, you know exactly which square the invisible creature is in, though you will take a -5 penalty to melee and ranged attacks against it since it has total concealment against you (see PHB 282 for more information). [/QUOTE]

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