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<blockquote data-quote="Justice and Rule" data-source="post: 8150290" data-attributes="member: 6778210">lolSorry, this was directed at other people, not just you. I take it you're not a podcast listener, because these sorts of videos are pretty easy to put on in the background while you do other things.NoNat's counter is largely what I wrote: the idea that they &quot;must&quot; play &quot;optimally&quot; is something they force on themselves. The druid player has plenty of tools to pick, even within wildshape, but isn't really looking at them because it looks like they are trying to play for the most damage. He describes a situation where his own party was fighting a gigantic spider, and instead of attacking he used a magic weapon to trip the spider and put it on the ground, while the thief (rather than attacking) used some immovable rods to lock it to the ground. As he says, that's &quot;suboptimal&quot; in that they aren't outputting the greatest amount of damage they could, they were creative and ended the encounter early.The other part is that, if the players have no output for creativity, that's on the GM. Apparently Cody is playing Age of Ashes, there's the concession that maybe it's that adventure path, which was the first AP they did in the system and probably not as well-made as subsequent APs. But NoNat basically says what I did as well: it's on the GM to change things, even if it's an AP. If the thing is kind of dull, it's on you to spice things up and tweak things to work with your group.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Justice and Rule, post: 8150290, member: 6778210"] lol Sorry, this was directed at other people, not just you. I take it you're not a podcast listener, because these sorts of videos are pretty easy to put on in the background while you do other things. NoNat's counter is largely what I wrote: the idea that they "must" play "optimally" is something they force on themselves. The druid player has plenty of tools to pick, even within wildshape, but isn't really looking at them because it looks like they are trying to play for the most damage. He describes a situation where his own party was fighting a gigantic spider, and instead of attacking he used a magic weapon to trip the spider and put it on the ground, while the thief (rather than attacking) used some immovable rods to lock it to the ground. As he says, that's "suboptimal" in that they aren't outputting the greatest amount of damage they could, they were creative and ended the encounter early. The other part is that, if the players have no output for creativity, that's on the GM. Apparently Cody is playing Age of Ashes, there's the concession that maybe it's that adventure path, which was the first AP they did in the system and probably not as well-made as subsequent APs. But NoNat basically says what I did as well: it's on the GM to change things, even if it's an AP. If the thing is kind of dull, it's on you to spice things up and tweak things to work with your group. [/QUOTE]

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