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<blockquote data-quote="kenada" data-source="post: 8151748" data-attributes="member: 70468"><p>The assumption he articulated is that you <em>have to play optimally</em>. It’s pretty much the entire basis of his complaint. His druid always changed into a t-rex because that’s what the player thought they had to do to play optimally. He explained how every combat played out exactly the same (like you would go through your rotations in an MMO). That’s why he said the choices you made didn’t matter — because the system expects you to play that way, so they had to do that.</p><p></p><p>Let’s assume he’s completely sincere. I have no reason to believe that he doesn’t believe what he says is true. I’m not going to impugn his style of play or the choices they make. I said in my <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/taking20-im-quitting-pathfinder-2e-because-of-this-issue.677084/post-8150293" target="_blank">very first response</a> that PF2 is not a great fit for certain types of groups or players. His group may be one of those groups, and that’s okay, but it’s also possible for it to be a bad fit and for that not to be a systemic issue with the game. If I had any quibble with his video, it’s conflating the two.</p><p></p><p>If this were just a random post on the Internet somewhere, it wouldn’t have gotten much traction. People wouldn’t care because it would be limited to that venue, but it was posted to Youtube on a channel with a decently sized audience. People are going to react to that. Some might call it trolling, but if we’re assuming sincerity, it’s hard to call it trolling. Anyway, he can make videos about whatever he wants, but his right to have an opinion does not negate anyone else’s right to have one counter to that or to respond to it.</p><p></p><p>With all that said, I don’t think Cody is really interested in having a conversation about this issue. His <a href="https://twitter.com/takingd20/status/1339001371379589120" target="_blank">response</a> to Nonat’s video was dismissive, and I think that’s being charitable. I find it hard to believe that an honest discourse about PF2’s problems was the intended outcome. Even if we still assume his complaint his sincere, there can be other reasons for sharing it (i.e., driving views to his channel).</p><p></p><p></p><p>I was taking a dig at the wider discourse. This conversation has a familiar shape. It’s happen before, and it’ll happen again. I also take issue with the expectation that those on the receiving side of criticism are obliged to show magnanimity. That’s nothing more than tone policing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kenada, post: 8151748, member: 70468"] The assumption he articulated is that you [I]have to play optimally[/I]. It’s pretty much the entire basis of his complaint. His druid always changed into a t-rex because that’s what the player thought they had to do to play optimally. He explained how every combat played out exactly the same (like you would go through your rotations in an MMO). That’s why he said the choices you made didn’t matter — because the system expects you to play that way, so they had to do that. Let’s assume he’s completely sincere. I have no reason to believe that he doesn’t believe what he says is true. I’m not going to impugn his style of play or the choices they make. I said in my [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/taking20-im-quitting-pathfinder-2e-because-of-this-issue.677084/post-8150293']very first response[/URL] that PF2 is not a great fit for certain types of groups or players. His group may be one of those groups, and that’s okay, but it’s also possible for it to be a bad fit and for that not to be a systemic issue with the game. If I had any quibble with his video, it’s conflating the two. If this were just a random post on the Internet somewhere, it wouldn’t have gotten much traction. People wouldn’t care because it would be limited to that venue, but it was posted to Youtube on a channel with a decently sized audience. People are going to react to that. Some might call it trolling, but if we’re assuming sincerity, it’s hard to call it trolling. Anyway, he can make videos about whatever he wants, but his right to have an opinion does not negate anyone else’s right to have one counter to that or to respond to it. With all that said, I don’t think Cody is really interested in having a conversation about this issue. His [URL='https://twitter.com/takingd20/status/1339001371379589120']response[/URL] to Nonat’s video was dismissive, and I think that’s being charitable. I find it hard to believe that an honest discourse about PF2’s problems was the intended outcome. Even if we still assume his complaint his sincere, there can be other reasons for sharing it (i.e., driving views to his channel). I was taking a dig at the wider discourse. This conversation has a familiar shape. It’s happen before, and it’ll happen again. I also take issue with the expectation that those on the receiving side of criticism are obliged to show magnanimity. That’s nothing more than tone policing. [/QUOTE]
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