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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8159364" data-attributes="member: 93670">I don't know pf2 to really comment too deeply on his first video but will say that he makes good points about the illusion of choice &amp; players being forced to make certain choices in build/combat in both systems in it.&nbsp; His<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_582tbKz4E0" target="_blank"> second video</a> about illusion of choice he makes a lot of very good points though, particularly the one about system defenders seeming to miss the point deliberately or dismiss the whole thing as a powergamer charop issue.&nbsp; 5e is especially bad about the illusion of choice just in other areas like feat &amp; spell selection. Probably by dumb luck he stumbled into a 5e combat example where it seems like a player really has choices by presenting a longbow with a&nbsp; once presented on a tactical grid with a 150/600 range starting at a 20-30sh foot distance, but in nearly every other case including just the ranger being further away* at the start the combat is pretty much move into range &amp; rockemsockem robots till one side dies*like on the other side of the open door an extra 30-60ft away)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8159364, member: 93670"] I don't know pf2 to really comment too deeply on his first video but will say that he makes good points about the illusion of choice & players being forced to make certain choices in build/combat in both systems in it. His[URL='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_582tbKz4E0'] second video[/URL] about illusion of choice he makes a lot of very good points though, particularly the one about system defenders seeming to miss the point deliberately or dismiss the whole thing as a powergamer charop issue. 5e is especially bad about the illusion of choice just in other areas like feat & spell selection. Probably by dumb luck he stumbled into a 5e combat example where it seems like a player really has choices by presenting a longbow with a once presented on a tactical grid with a 150/[I][B][U]600[/U][/B][/I] range starting at a 20-30sh foot distance, but in nearly every other case including just the ranger being further away* at the start the combat is pretty much move into range & rockemsockem robots till one side dies *like on the other side of the open door an extra 30-60ft away) [/QUOTE]

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