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<blockquote data-quote="Justice and Rule" data-source="post: 8159378" data-attributes="member: 6778210"><p>I always find this opinion to be puzzling, since it implies that roleplaying can only be done outside the rules, rather than actually engage with the rules created.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I mean, the problem is that the good points you think he's making aren't really good points because he is going into PF2 with 5E assumptions and thus getting a bunch of things wrong: as I said in the other thread, his grapple example is straight up wrong because the necessity of the shove/grapple combo in 5E isn't the same in PF2, and thus he's has to <em>actually</em> play badly to get it to work. Further he doesn't actually build a 2E character, he just sort of takes about 40%: unlike 5E, a lot of PF2 stuff is not class-related, and not including stuff that could be added in hurts the whole example, let alone the choice of scenario is... unideal (wraiths are <em><strong>very different</strong></em> between the systems, and those are very different encounters given that he had to level up the Ranger to 5 to get anything close to an actual interesting result).</p><p></p><p>The whole thing is a mess. He just should have said what other members said he should have (he'd rather have a rules light system than a rules heavy system) rather than trying to mathematically-justify himself and fail at it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Justice and Rule, post: 8159378, member: 6778210"] I always find this opinion to be puzzling, since it implies that roleplaying can only be done outside the rules, rather than actually engage with the rules created. I mean, the problem is that the good points you think he's making aren't really good points because he is going into PF2 with 5E assumptions and thus getting a bunch of things wrong: as I said in the other thread, his grapple example is straight up wrong because the necessity of the shove/grapple combo in 5E isn't the same in PF2, and thus he's has to [I]actually[/I] play badly to get it to work. Further he doesn't actually build a 2E character, he just sort of takes about 40%: unlike 5E, a lot of PF2 stuff is not class-related, and not including stuff that could be added in hurts the whole example, let alone the choice of scenario is... unideal (wraiths are [I][B]very different[/B][/I] between the systems, and those are very different encounters given that he had to level up the Ranger to 5 to get anything close to an actual interesting result). The whole thing is a mess. He just should have said what other members said he should have (he'd rather have a rules light system than a rules heavy system) rather than trying to mathematically-justify himself and fail at it. [/QUOTE]
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