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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Justice and Rule" data-source="post: 8186877" data-attributes="member: 6778210">What are you on about? Pathfinder 2E doesn't really have that many more "debuff" conditions than 5E: by my own count, I'd say it's 21 to 9 (I'm counting Fatigued and Exhaustion for each side), and most of the extras for Pathfinder 2E are just common monster and spell effects that are also found 5E.Like, the Drained condition in PF2 is basically the same as the anti-healing effect some undead have in 5E, only codified so it doesn't have to be written out every time it is used again. Same with Slowed, Controlled, Confused and Enfeebled. Like, the only ones I can really think of that don't exist in 5E are Dazzled, Doomed, Fascinated, and Flat-footed. And instead of having the general Poisoned condition, Pathfinder breaks it down so different poisons actually, you know, feel different.Like, this is absolutely the weirdest critique I've seen of the game, largely because it comes off as nonsense when you actually know something about both systems.</blockquote>