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<blockquote data-quote="Thomas Shey" data-source="post: 8187294" data-attributes="member: 7026617">Only if you consider all of them the same thing.&nbsp; Its also got implications when phrased as you do that are simply not true; that number doesn't mean what it sounds like it means.&nbsp; Its like talking about all the spells present in either game, when the truth is most people only have to (or even can) deal with a subset of them because they're not all available to all casters.Siloing matters.&nbsp; To act like it doesn't is misrepresenting the practical situation.A fair bit.&nbsp; But again, most of those aren't ones a character is going to consider (outside possibly a rogue); taking skill feats for skills you don't have training in is a waste of time from the get-go, so no one is liable to give those a second look.&nbsp; This means outside of the rogue, through most of most characters careers they're going to pay attention to their class feats, their ancestry feats, the short list of true general feats, and the skill feats for the skills they actually invested in.&nbsp; Once you also factor that many feats are, effectively, level relevant (its not impossible for someone to take a class feat lower than the ones specifically gated at their level, but its not going to happen very often and when it does someone will likely have decided long before they needed to) the number of feats anyone has to actually pay attention to at any given time is much smaller than the gross number suggests.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Thomas Shey, post: 8187294, member: 7026617"] Only if you consider all of them the same thing. Its also got implications when phrased as you do that are simply not true; that number doesn't mean what it sounds like it means. Its like talking about all the spells present in either game, when the truth is most people only have to (or even can) deal with a subset of them because they're not all available to all casters. Siloing matters. To act like it doesn't is misrepresenting the practical situation. A fair bit. But again, most of those aren't ones a character is going to consider (outside possibly a rogue); taking skill feats for skills you don't have training in is a waste of time from the get-go, so no one is liable to give those a second look. This means outside of the rogue, through most of most characters careers they're going to pay attention to their class feats, their ancestry feats, the short list of true general feats, and the skill feats for the skills they actually invested in. Once you also factor that many feats are, effectively, level relevant (its not impossible for someone to take a class feat lower than the ones specifically gated at their level, but its not going to happen very often and when it does someone will likely have decided long before they needed to) the number of feats anyone has to actually pay attention to at any given time is much smaller than the gross number suggests. [/QUOTE]

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