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<blockquote data-quote="Thomas Shey" data-source="post: 8187351" data-attributes="member: 7026617">I think you're confusing me with other people here; I've not made a single comparison to 5e, because I don't know it well to do so.&nbsp; I'm just noting that simply listing the number of feats in PF2e can give an impression of a much more unmanageable volume than is, in practice, real; its a world of difference between it and either PF1e feats or D&amp;D3e feats (or in practice, even D&amp;D4e feats though there was more practical siloing there than was always obvious).This is the sort of thing that is often brought up as an excuse to suggest that PF2e is over-complicated, and when presented as such borders on the disingenuous, since virtually no one, unless they're playing in many games with different characters, needs to come close to keep track of all those feats.&nbsp; Even within a given class its often the case that once you settle on a general approach you can discard a number of class feats out of hand; for example a sword-and-board Fighter can pretty much ignore the two-handed weapon feats most of the time, and likely the two-weapon ones too.&nbsp; If he wants to keep it simple, he can also write-off the one-one-handed-weapon related ones.Now if you're not doing that, that's fine, but I can promise there are people in this thread who have been.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Thomas Shey, post: 8187351, member: 7026617"] I think you're confusing me with other people here; I've not made a single comparison to 5e, because I don't know it well to do so. I'm just noting that simply listing the number of feats in PF2e can give an impression of a much more unmanageable volume than is, in practice, real; its a world of difference between it and either PF1e feats or D&D3e feats (or in practice, even D&D4e feats though there was more practical siloing there than was always obvious). This is the sort of thing that is often brought up as an excuse to suggest that PF2e is over-complicated, and when presented as such borders on the disingenuous, since virtually no one, unless they're playing in many games with different characters, needs to come close to keep track of all those feats. Even within a given class its often the case that once you settle on a general approach you can discard a number of class feats out of hand; for example a sword-and-board Fighter can pretty much ignore the two-handed weapon feats most of the time, and likely the two-weapon ones too. If he wants to keep it simple, he can also write-off the one-one-handed-weapon related ones. Now if you're not doing that, that's fine, but I can promise there are people in this thread who have been. [/QUOTE]

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