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<blockquote data-quote="Afrodyte" data-source="post: 1873971" data-attributes="member: 8713"><p><strong>bard, monk, paladin</strong></p><p></p><p>As you may notice, some of the PHB classes are not listed in these revisions. This is mostly because the classes and talent trees are flexible enough to be able to mix and match to get the "missing" classes. My personal preference is to make the bard, monk, and paladin into prestige classes, but if you want the flavor of the classes, here is how I would go about it.</p><p></p><p>The easiest to create would be the bard. Just take the generic spellcaster and use Magic Focus (music) as your first talent. For skills, you would obviously take Perform. Another Knowledge skill would be advisable, as would Listen. The last skill would be something to flesh out the character. Gift of the fey is a great gift to start off with, but gift of war, gift of white magic, and gift of black magic would make intriguing choices as well. If all you want is a mage who focuses his powers through music, this is sufficient, but if you want the JOAT aspect, multiclassing with the expert and taking talents from the Jack of All Trades talent tree is the way to go.</p><p></p><p>The paladin would be the next step. Multiclass a spellcaster (mystic) with a warrior. For spellcaster talents, you can choose gift of war and/or gift of white magic and talents from the Celestial talent tree. For the mount, something from the Magical Companion talent tree would be good too. Just about any of the warrior and/or fighter talents would work for the paladin. The result will not be as powerful as the PHB paladin, but the central concept would still hold.</p><p></p><p>The monk presents a problem because I don't have anything specifically for unarmed combat, nor do I have something specifically for the contemplative warrior seeking enlightenment. Focusing warrior and/or fighter talents on unarmed combat is a good start. You might also dip into the generic spellcaster (mystic) and start off with the gift of war. You could pick up a talent for gift of the sight or something else that enhances the contemplative aspect of the monk.</p><p></p><p>If you want to go the PrC route, here's something of what I'd try:</p><p></p><p><u>Bard PrC</u></p><p><strong>Prerequisites</strong>: Perform (any one music-based skill) 9+ ranks (or 6+ ranks and Skill focus: Perform (any one music-based skill), the gift</p><p><strong>HD</strong>: d6</p><p><strong>BAB</strong>: medium</p><p><strong>Saves</strong>: as PHB. Alternatively, all medium.</p><p><strong>Skills</strong>: Gain the following as class skills: Diplomacy, Knowledge (all taken individually), Listen, Perform, Profession, Sense Motive, Speak Language.</p><p><strong>Skill Points per level</strong>: 4 + INT modifier</p><p><strong>Class abilities</strong>: Bardic music, bardic knowledge. Both as PHB.</p><p></p><p><u>Monk PrC</u></p><p><strong>Prerequisites</strong>: BAB +5 or higher, Improved Unarmed Strike</p><p><strong>HD</strong>: d8</p><p><strong>BAB</strong>: good</p><p><strong>Saves</strong>: as PHB. Alternatively, all medium.</p><p><strong>Skills</strong>: Gain the following as class skills: Balance, Concentration, Knowledge (religion), Tumble</p><p><strong>Skill Points per level</strong>: 4 + INT modifier</p><p><strong>Class abilities</strong>: improved unarmed damage dice (1d6, 1d8, 2d6, 2d8, 3d6), some of the more useful monk abilities.</p><p></p><p><u>Paladin PrC</u></p><p><strong>Prerequisites</strong>: BAB +5 or higher, Lawful Good</p><p><strong>HD</strong>: d10</p><p><strong>BAB</strong>: good</p><p><strong>Saves</strong>: as PHB. Alternatively, Will and Fortitude good, Reflex poor.</p><p><strong>Skills</strong>: Gain the following as class skills: Concentration, Diplomacy, Intimidate, Knowledge (religion), Sense Motive</p><p><strong>Skill Points per level</strong>: 4 + INT modifier</p><p><strong>Class abilities</strong>: spells, smite evil, aura of good, mount, divine grace</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Afrodyte, post: 1873971, member: 8713"] [b]bard, monk, paladin[/b] As you may notice, some of the PHB classes are not listed in these revisions. This is mostly because the classes and talent trees are flexible enough to be able to mix and match to get the "missing" classes. My personal preference is to make the bard, monk, and paladin into prestige classes, but if you want the flavor of the classes, here is how I would go about it. The easiest to create would be the bard. Just take the generic spellcaster and use Magic Focus (music) as your first talent. For skills, you would obviously take Perform. Another Knowledge skill would be advisable, as would Listen. The last skill would be something to flesh out the character. Gift of the fey is a great gift to start off with, but gift of war, gift of white magic, and gift of black magic would make intriguing choices as well. If all you want is a mage who focuses his powers through music, this is sufficient, but if you want the JOAT aspect, multiclassing with the expert and taking talents from the Jack of All Trades talent tree is the way to go. The paladin would be the next step. Multiclass a spellcaster (mystic) with a warrior. For spellcaster talents, you can choose gift of war and/or gift of white magic and talents from the Celestial talent tree. For the mount, something from the Magical Companion talent tree would be good too. Just about any of the warrior and/or fighter talents would work for the paladin. The result will not be as powerful as the PHB paladin, but the central concept would still hold. The monk presents a problem because I don't have anything specifically for unarmed combat, nor do I have something specifically for the contemplative warrior seeking enlightenment. Focusing warrior and/or fighter talents on unarmed combat is a good start. You might also dip into the generic spellcaster (mystic) and start off with the gift of war. You could pick up a talent for gift of the sight or something else that enhances the contemplative aspect of the monk. If you want to go the PrC route, here's something of what I'd try: [U]Bard PrC[/U] [B]Prerequisites[/B]: Perform (any one music-based skill) 9+ ranks (or 6+ ranks and Skill focus: Perform (any one music-based skill), the gift [B]HD[/B]: d6 [B]BAB[/B]: medium [B]Saves[/B]: as PHB. Alternatively, all medium. [B]Skills[/B]: Gain the following as class skills: Diplomacy, Knowledge (all taken individually), Listen, Perform, Profession, Sense Motive, Speak Language. [B]Skill Points per level[/B]: 4 + INT modifier [B]Class abilities[/B]: Bardic music, bardic knowledge. Both as PHB. [U]Monk PrC[/U] [B]Prerequisites[/B]: BAB +5 or higher, Improved Unarmed Strike [B]HD[/B]: d8 [B]BAB[/B]: good [B]Saves[/B]: as PHB. Alternatively, all medium. [B]Skills[/B]: Gain the following as class skills: Balance, Concentration, Knowledge (religion), Tumble [B]Skill Points per level[/B]: 4 + INT modifier [B]Class abilities[/B]: improved unarmed damage dice (1d6, 1d8, 2d6, 2d8, 3d6), some of the more useful monk abilities. [U]Paladin PrC[/U] [B]Prerequisites[/B]: BAB +5 or higher, Lawful Good [B]HD[/B]: d10 [B]BAB[/B]: good [B]Saves[/B]: as PHB. Alternatively, Will and Fortitude good, Reflex poor. [B]Skills[/B]: Gain the following as class skills: Concentration, Diplomacy, Intimidate, Knowledge (religion), Sense Motive [B]Skill Points per level[/B]: 4 + INT modifier [B]Class abilities[/B]: spells, smite evil, aura of good, mount, divine grace [/QUOTE]
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