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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7706379" data-attributes="member: 4937">We got through Tomb of Horrors with no knowledge of the text, which you say shouldn't happen.  My assertions are backed by evidence.  I'm describing how we survived the module.  I was a fairly experienced player with an 11th level thief, and a couple of potions and scrolls.  Using rope and a 10' pole for probing, and not rushing into anything, we got through most of the module.  I can describe the path we took in detail.   We made it to the vault, made the mistake of trying to fight Acerak, lost a few characters to soul drain, and ran as fast as we could away.  That's with zero knowledge of the module.  I would consider that a fairly average experience based on talking to other oldbies.  I have heard of parties that died in the Devil's Mouth, but we were already pretty freaked out by that point (though hadn't lost anyone) so we didn't even touch the Devil's Mouth.The exact same group TPKed on 'Hidden Shrine', wasting time on the side trek to the vampire(again, vampire at this party level!!) thinking that we'd found some clever bypass, with half the party dead by midway into the first level, and no one managing to get out before we all died of the carbon monoxide.  Every group I've ever ran 'Hidden Shrine' for has TPKed.  Being intimately familiar with both modules text at this point, I consider 'Hidden Shrine' vastly more unfair for all the reasons I have hitherto mentioned.They are both competition modules, and I'm intimately aware of the history of both.  The fact that they are both competition modules in and of itself does not prove which is harder.  I'm doing that by referencing the text and details of the module.  You aren't. Again, I'm repeatedly making reference to the texts of the two, and you continue to appeal logical fallacies.  You have not once made any attempt to explain your opinion, and are instead appealing to the modules reputation or other irrelevant crap.</blockquote>

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