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<blockquote data-quote="bloodtide" data-source="post: 9030823" data-attributes="member: 6684958">When I think &quot;pirate&quot; game, I'm thinking of a dark, gritty, unrated, evil type game.&nbsp; I'm not thinking of the happy guy swinging on a rope saying &quot;tally-ho&quot;.&nbsp; I think a show like Black Sails for pirates.It's like someone saying they want to play a &quot;carjacker game&quot;, but they mean an &quot;car racing game&quot;&nbsp; The problem is I like and want a long, long &quot;rags to riches&quot; style game that is HARD.&nbsp; And I'm not a Buddy DM that is a fan of the players.&nbsp; They get no help from me during the game.&nbsp; And I expect a huge level of simulation.&nbsp; Now my Spelljammer game is made up of players like them.&nbsp; The big difference is that they really, really, really wanted to play in a Spelljammer game(and still do).&nbsp; So in game one they get into a ship fight...and loose badly with half the characters dying.&nbsp; What is left of their ship crashes on a moon and they have near nothing.&nbsp; Now THIS is the point where a lot of casual players will storm out of my game:&nbsp; they &quot;lost&quot; so they will take their dice and go home.&nbsp; They try and fix their ship enough to take off, with two new 'moon' characters...but I run a hard core resource game. And it's a wild moon with no magic shops. Then their foes come after them and they are captured.&nbsp; They escape...and get the clever idea to take the foes ship.&nbsp; Lots of fighting...but they win and scrap the other ship to just barley make their ship spaceworthy.&nbsp; And spend the next game limping around space, hiding and trying to fix the ship.&nbsp; Few casual gamers would stick with the above game.&nbsp; As soon as they lost the fight they would have just complained, told me i'm a bad dm and ran away.&nbsp; But my Spelljammer group stuck with it as they WANTED to...so they could take the good and bad.&nbsp; This group does not have that drive.My point is more they said they wanted a &quot;pirate game&quot; not a &quot;swashbuckling treasure hunt&quot;.&nbsp; That sounds like a show to check out....that I've never heard of.That sounds like Swashbucklers of the Caribbean to me.......</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bloodtide, post: 9030823, member: 6684958"] When I think "pirate" game, I'm thinking of a dark, gritty, unrated, evil type game. I'm not thinking of the happy guy swinging on a rope saying "tally-ho". I think a show like Black Sails for pirates. It's like someone saying they want to play a "carjacker game", but they mean an "car racing game" The problem is I like and want a long, long "rags to riches" style game that is HARD. And I'm not a Buddy DM that is a fan of the players. They get no help from me during the game. And I expect a huge level of simulation. Now my Spelljammer game is made up of players like them. The big difference is that they really, really, really wanted to play in a Spelljammer game(and still do). So in game one they get into a ship fight...and loose badly with half the characters dying. What is left of their ship crashes on a moon and they have near nothing. Now THIS is the point where a lot of casual players will storm out of my game: they "lost" so they will take their dice and go home. They try and fix their ship enough to take off, with two new 'moon' characters...but I run a hard core resource game. And it's a wild moon with no magic shops. Then their foes come after them and they are captured. They escape...and get the clever idea to take the foes ship. Lots of fighting...but they win and scrap the other ship to just barley make their ship spaceworthy. And spend the next game limping around space, hiding and trying to fix the ship. Few casual gamers would stick with the above game. As soon as they lost the fight they would have just complained, told me i'm a bad dm and ran away. But my Spelljammer group stuck with it as they WANTED to...so they could take the good and bad. This group does not have that drive. My point is more they said they wanted a "pirate game" not a "swashbuckling treasure hunt". That sounds like a show to check out....that I've never heard of. That sounds like Swashbucklers of the Caribbean to me....... [/QUOTE]

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