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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 257538" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>The difference is that it is easy to have your viewpoint with a casual reading of the spell.</p><p></p><p>It is very difficult to have your viewpoint with a careful reading of the spell. If you note, you are the only person who still has your viewpoint this long into this thread. Not only that, on numerous instances in this thread, you stated that your viewpoint was the rule. As has been shown and even finally admitted by you, it is merely your interpretation which virtually everyone else has disagreed with. Hence, I think you are in a minority here.</p><p></p><p>Your interpretation is based on how the spell works when cast on a creature. For some obscure reason, you feel that you must cast it that way in order to remove a spell from a creature and that is the only way you can do that. The spell description, however, does not indicate that this must be done.</p><p></p><p>“One X, Y, or Z is the target of the spell. You make a dispel check against Z or against each ongoing spell currently in effect on Y or Z.”</p><p></p><p>Your choice, X, Y or Z.</p><p></p><p>Z can be any spell, not just those that kreynolds think it should be.</p><p></p><p>You are focusing solely on the second sentence and disregarding the first. If the first sentence was not in the spell description, then your viewpoint might have some merit. But, the sentence is there and cannot be ignored in a rationale discussion.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The difference is that my interpretation is backed up by two sentences in the spell description. Your interpretation ignores one of those two sentences completely. You have yet to explain why you can ignore that sentence.</p><p></p><p>As a spell caster, you can choose your targets. The spell gives you 3 targets to choose from: spell, creature, or object.</p><p></p><p>I choose my target as the Fire Shield spell.</p><p></p><p>Please explain why I cannot do that when the spell states that I can.</p><p></p><p>That’s all I am asking. In order to back up your point of view, explain why a caster cannot choose the Fire Shield spell on his opponent when the sentence states:</p><p></p><p>“One object, creature, or spell is the target of the spell.”</p><p></p><p>You have no credibility if you cannot explain why the word spell in this sentence can be a Wall of Fire spell, but cannot be a Fire Shield spell.</p><p></p><p>This really is not an interpretation issue. It clearly states that you can dispel a spell. Any spell.</p><p></p><p>If you can show us why this is not the case, please do so. If you cannot, then maybe you should stick to sentences like "your argument is becoming quite boring" and "Let us simply agree to disagree" because that's what your side of the discussion has come down to, attacks and waffling since you seem to have no real explainable rationale on the issue itself.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 257538, member: 2011"] The difference is that it is easy to have your viewpoint with a casual reading of the spell. It is very difficult to have your viewpoint with a careful reading of the spell. If you note, you are the only person who still has your viewpoint this long into this thread. Not only that, on numerous instances in this thread, you stated that your viewpoint was the rule. As has been shown and even finally admitted by you, it is merely your interpretation which virtually everyone else has disagreed with. Hence, I think you are in a minority here. Your interpretation is based on how the spell works when cast on a creature. For some obscure reason, you feel that you must cast it that way in order to remove a spell from a creature and that is the only way you can do that. The spell description, however, does not indicate that this must be done. “One X, Y, or Z is the target of the spell. You make a dispel check against Z or against each ongoing spell currently in effect on Y or Z.” Your choice, X, Y or Z. Z can be any spell, not just those that kreynolds think it should be. You are focusing solely on the second sentence and disregarding the first. If the first sentence was not in the spell description, then your viewpoint might have some merit. But, the sentence is there and cannot be ignored in a rationale discussion. The difference is that my interpretation is backed up by two sentences in the spell description. Your interpretation ignores one of those two sentences completely. You have yet to explain why you can ignore that sentence. As a spell caster, you can choose your targets. The spell gives you 3 targets to choose from: spell, creature, or object. I choose my target as the Fire Shield spell. Please explain why I cannot do that when the spell states that I can. That’s all I am asking. In order to back up your point of view, explain why a caster cannot choose the Fire Shield spell on his opponent when the sentence states: “One object, creature, or spell is the target of the spell.” You have no credibility if you cannot explain why the word spell in this sentence can be a Wall of Fire spell, but cannot be a Fire Shield spell. This really is not an interpretation issue. It clearly states that you can dispel a spell. Any spell. If you can show us why this is not the case, please do so. If you cannot, then maybe you should stick to sentences like "your argument is becoming quite boring" and "Let us simply agree to disagree" because that's what your side of the discussion has come down to, attacks and waffling since you seem to have no real explainable rationale on the issue itself. [/QUOTE]
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