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<blockquote data-quote="ARandomGod" data-source="post: 1928422" data-attributes="member: 17296"><p>Yea, yea. I left it a little unclear that way almost on purpose. (In that I didn't explain which "one" targets were) The excersise in thought to interpret it should help to explain the clarity or unclarity.</p><p></p><p>OK, to clarify.</p><p></p><p>Five targets. In a straight line, north to south, each one is 25 feet from the other. Labeled A through E. The caster is level five so he could theoretically hit all of them if they are/were in proper range... </p><p></p><p>A-----B-----C-----D-----E</p><p></p><p></p><p>Caster targets A. A is hit, the magic then looks for the next target the caster has assigned, which is B. A and B are two targets, which are not more than 30 feet apart. The magic can gap up to 30 feet, and no more. This is 25, to it jumps between these two targets. The magic has now entered and damaged B, it looks for it's next target. The next target assigned is C. Now the two targets in question are B and C. The magic has erased A from it's memory. The magic can gap this 25 feet easily, it jumps.</p><p></p><p>Etc.</p><p></p><p>A and C are not two targets in this equation. It is not a radius in which up to five people are hit, it's a range, in which a series of two targets are considered. The series is as follows:</p><p></p><p>A-B</p><p>B-C</p><p>C-D</p><p>D-E</p><p></p><p>No two of those are more than 30 feet apart. It's crystal clear.</p><p></p><p>And, aside from the wording, it also makes more sense magic-energy wise. The formulae that is guiding the magic clearly cannot jump more than 30 feet, and it clearly has a set order. It would take a needlessly more complex magic fomulae to keep in it's head each target and measure the range between all of them. And why would you build this self-limitation into your spell anyway? Especially when it clearly increases the complexity and therefore level? If you wanted the effect that is "clear" to some but not the way I'm describing above, you should have built a radius burst spell that hits only X targets, not a spell with a limited programming to go from one target to the next (no two of which are 30 foot apart).</p><p></p><p>See, to me, that's as plain as anything. No two ARE 30 foot apart. A and C are not two targets in the chain, because the magic was not built that intelligently. The targeting magic doesn't even SEE target C until it's discharged completely from it's mind A, and is already on B. Sure, the formulae which gives the targeting mechanism it's instructions holds all of the targets, but it's not complex enough to BE a targeting mechanism, and really, as it's not expending any enery other than memory, it doesn't care HOW far apart your targets are. All it does is feed in the sequence. It can't detect ranged because it has no range, it's range is 0, the spell itself. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Once again, however, Silveras. You cannot in full understanding side with the fact that the wording is indeed completely clear, not while simultaniously seeing that some people thought the opposite. Sure, you can tell them they read it wrong, but the very act of telling someone they misunderstood something states additionally that the thing they misunderstood is not perfectly clear.</p><p></p><p>Edit: I'm not saying the interpretation above is correct. I'm just pointing out that it indeed does exist, and this is what it was. Other people's interpretations with a similiar effect to the one above might be slightly different, but still also exist.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ARandomGod, post: 1928422, member: 17296"] Yea, yea. I left it a little unclear that way almost on purpose. (In that I didn't explain which "one" targets were) The excersise in thought to interpret it should help to explain the clarity or unclarity. OK, to clarify. Five targets. In a straight line, north to south, each one is 25 feet from the other. Labeled A through E. The caster is level five so he could theoretically hit all of them if they are/were in proper range... A-----B-----C-----D-----E Caster targets A. A is hit, the magic then looks for the next target the caster has assigned, which is B. A and B are two targets, which are not more than 30 feet apart. The magic can gap up to 30 feet, and no more. This is 25, to it jumps between these two targets. The magic has now entered and damaged B, it looks for it's next target. The next target assigned is C. Now the two targets in question are B and C. The magic has erased A from it's memory. The magic can gap this 25 feet easily, it jumps. Etc. A and C are not two targets in this equation. It is not a radius in which up to five people are hit, it's a range, in which a series of two targets are considered. The series is as follows: A-B B-C C-D D-E No two of those are more than 30 feet apart. It's crystal clear. And, aside from the wording, it also makes more sense magic-energy wise. The formulae that is guiding the magic clearly cannot jump more than 30 feet, and it clearly has a set order. It would take a needlessly more complex magic fomulae to keep in it's head each target and measure the range between all of them. And why would you build this self-limitation into your spell anyway? Especially when it clearly increases the complexity and therefore level? If you wanted the effect that is "clear" to some but not the way I'm describing above, you should have built a radius burst spell that hits only X targets, not a spell with a limited programming to go from one target to the next (no two of which are 30 foot apart). See, to me, that's as plain as anything. No two ARE 30 foot apart. A and C are not two targets in the chain, because the magic was not built that intelligently. The targeting magic doesn't even SEE target C until it's discharged completely from it's mind A, and is already on B. Sure, the formulae which gives the targeting mechanism it's instructions holds all of the targets, but it's not complex enough to BE a targeting mechanism, and really, as it's not expending any enery other than memory, it doesn't care HOW far apart your targets are. All it does is feed in the sequence. It can't detect ranged because it has no range, it's range is 0, the spell itself. Once again, however, Silveras. You cannot in full understanding side with the fact that the wording is indeed completely clear, not while simultaniously seeing that some people thought the opposite. Sure, you can tell them they read it wrong, but the very act of telling someone they misunderstood something states additionally that the thing they misunderstood is not perfectly clear. Edit: I'm not saying the interpretation above is correct. I'm just pointing out that it indeed does exist, and this is what it was. Other people's interpretations with a similiar effect to the one above might be slightly different, but still also exist. [/QUOTE]
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