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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8452390" data-attributes="member: 87792">The problem here, of course, isn't the Tortle. It's making Dex far too important for almost everyone. Even for a tortle dexterity still affects initiative, finesse weapons, one of the most important saves, and multiple skills; even for non-dex characters it might be more important than even Con. The tortle single-handedly makes clumsy adventurers competitive.[USER=59057]@UngeheuerLich[/USER] [USER=7030563]@ECMO3[/USER] I'd say that STR primary classes (fighter, barbarian, paladin) can hold their own - and no the paladin isn't better with high dex than STR although rapier-and-shield is a viable (if low damage) build. But strength is one of the two stats that people routinely dump because it's very little use when it's not your primary stat (the other being Int). Just about every non-tortle adventurer that's not wearing plate armour has a good Dex and Dex 14 is exceptionally common in my experience.Other than the tortle it gives a new lease of life to mountain dwarves (I'm not honestly worried about medium armour prof). Oh, and the yuan-ti pureblood is even more broken than before as you can give advantage to all saves vs magic to an actual tank.</blockquote>