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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Benjamin Olson" data-source="post: 8155723" data-attributes="member: 6988941"><p>Only if you're overly fixated on personal glory and finding the perfect one turn killer combo. The debuff goes until end of the caster's next turn, so personal glory is not out of the cards without Quicken. But there is also the distinct possibility that someone else on the team in this team game has a good spell or ability to throw at the enemy which will involve a saving throw. There are also all the times when the enemy is forced to make ongoing saving throws from a spell or effect that has already landed. And, once again, just as a matter of the MM being full of enemies with low or negative bonuses on intelligence saves it is worth taking, it's probably going to be my second or third damage cantrip pick up for every build that qualifies until I get bored to death of it.</p></blockquote><p></p>