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Tasha's Mind Whip vs Charm Person vs Disguise Self for spell selection on an 10th level character
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<blockquote data-quote="Benjamin Olson" data-source="post: 8853390" data-attributes="member: 6988941"><p>So... not to be rude, but to my ear that sounds like a particularly sophomoric streak of rules lawyering. Clearly "hit" is a specific term of art in 5e for the thing that happens at the conclusion of a successful attack roll. And Catapult does not even use the word "hit" it uses "strike", presumably to avoid the exact confusion you and your YouTube optimizers are perpetrating. By RAW someone who has a net catapulted into them is merely "struck" by it, not "hit" by it, thus not triggering the language about getting hit by nets. As for RAI, while I doubt WotC were thinking about nets when they wrote the spell, I think they bent over backwards to avoid the word "hit" specifically to not bring in all the rules baggage that term has.</p><p></p><p>I can imagine some people I know agreeing to be agreeable with someone wanting to catapult a net, and I can imagine plenty being overwhelmed by rules citations or your confidence in the matter and just figuring you had the right of it but I can't imagine anyone sincerely buying the argument that it is RAW upon actually reading the relevant rules. I'd allow it as a one off rule of cool thing if a player had the idea themself. But as a canned, go-to strategy borrowed from YouTube videos; not a chance. More importantly if one of my early impressions of a player were them making the argument you've made for it I'd most likely stereotype them as a rules lawyer and a kind of terrible one at that.</p><p></p><p>So enjoy catapulting nets at your current tables but beware trying to export the practice to others. It sounds like you've been lucky so far.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Benjamin Olson, post: 8853390, member: 6988941"] So... not to be rude, but to my ear that sounds like a particularly sophomoric streak of rules lawyering. Clearly "hit" is a specific term of art in 5e for the thing that happens at the conclusion of a successful attack roll. And Catapult does not even use the word "hit" it uses "strike", presumably to avoid the exact confusion you and your YouTube optimizers are perpetrating. By RAW someone who has a net catapulted into them is merely "struck" by it, not "hit" by it, thus not triggering the language about getting hit by nets. As for RAI, while I doubt WotC were thinking about nets when they wrote the spell, I think they bent over backwards to avoid the word "hit" specifically to not bring in all the rules baggage that term has. I can imagine some people I know agreeing to be agreeable with someone wanting to catapult a net, and I can imagine plenty being overwhelmed by rules citations or your confidence in the matter and just figuring you had the right of it but I can't imagine anyone sincerely buying the argument that it is RAW upon actually reading the relevant rules. I'd allow it as a one off rule of cool thing if a player had the idea themself. But as a canned, go-to strategy borrowed from YouTube videos; not a chance. More importantly if one of my early impressions of a player were them making the argument you've made for it I'd most likely stereotype them as a rules lawyer and a kind of terrible one at that. So enjoy catapulting nets at your current tables but beware trying to export the practice to others. It sounds like you've been lucky so far. [/QUOTE]
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