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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8462320" data-attributes="member: 7030563">No they  don't.  Fighters get an additional ASI at 6th level which will put them ahead of Rangers in ability score.  Some of the fighting styles give them the same base, others don't because Rangers can't get  them.  Fighters also get more attacks per turn at higher levels and from level 2 on they get an entire extra action per short rest.If you assume you fight 2 battles per short rest and each battle is 4 turns Action Surge accounts for a flat 12.5% increase in damage.  I think 2 fights and 8 rounds is actually on the high side and in play it will usually be more than a 12.5% boost in damage output.   At higher levels when fighters get more than 1 AS this boost is even more than and that is on top of the extra attack(s)  they are getting every turn compared to rangers.Finally the Ranger is generally more MAD then the fighter.  A Ranger needs to invest in Wisdom to make use of most subclass abilities, additionally a strengh-Ranger needs to invest in dex to boost AC with medium armor.  A Fighter can dump both of those.  So not only does the fighter get more ASIs, he can easier focus them on combat stats.  The Ranger can overcome this with Drudic Warrior, but this puts him behind the fighter because he can not take a true "martial" fighting style.If you are talking about fighting styles that is not true.  GWF is locked out of Ranger and when combined with the higher damage weapons affords the highest base DPR of any fighting style.   Additionally it is difficult  to rate superior technique as there are a ton of variables that go into it, but considering the extra damage from the die itself and the extra damage from either the extra attack granted by the maneuver or the conditions imposed by maneuver, it is not safe to say this style will always be outdone by one of the Ranger combat styles.  It depends on what maneuver you get and the type of battles you fight in.Rangers  cant get superiority dice at all except through a feat, while any fighter can get one through a fighting style.   That is part of what I am talking about and I do not like the idea of making SD available to Rangers.</blockquote>

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