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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 9500592" data-attributes="member: 6750235">Lore Bards haven't lost the level 1 ability.  They can use that same BI die in the same way and also use it against attacks, ability checks, or damage.  More options for the same ability is not worse than just the ability itself.I'm going to bring up Valor Bards again.  There's no reason to rate them higher than a Lore Bard when they gain less team oriented abilities.I disagree.  The option to use Cutting Words or Bardic Inspiration > only the ability to use Bardic Inspiration.None of those are team oriented benefits.A Lore Bard can do that too.  Giving the Barbarian BI and then moving in for Dissonant Whispers is something open to any bard.  The bard could use a spell if they have the War Caster feat.I agree.  I think granting off-turn movement is good even without the temp hp.No, they're still in the 2024 DMG.  Any bard can make a group check easy by handing out some BI dice.  The Lore Bard's extra skill proficiencies is pretty minor, but it does exist. But when a Valor Bard gave BI to the fighter and the wizard gets hit the Valor Bard doesn't have an option to use BI to also help that wizard.  That's when Cutting Words has become more useful as a reaction.  It can be used as needed on a PC who doesn't have or has already used up their BI.  Valor Bards can never cast the 2 bonus spells Lore Bards pick up via Magical Discoveries.  Both options match Magical Secrets.These aren't team oriented abilities.  They're just useful abilities.Preventing an ally from dropping grants them more actions and prevents the conditions associated with dropping.  This also includes benefits like not losing concentration on a concentration spell for a spellcaster by either causing a miss or reducing the concentration save DC.It's still something regardless.  I'd rather have it run on BI because those recover on a short rest and can be fueled by spell slots in a pinch.Here's Cutting Words...How do you not choose the attack that your PC sees and is using their reaction on?  It's not random.  It's a judgement call on when to use it.That's 1 more time than the 0 times other bards can use their reaction in this way.I actually can if I use Shapechange and turn into a Hydra.  It's unlikely and late stage, but just sayin'.   ;-)It can, but it also does the same thing where it's an opportunity cost against BI being handed out.How so?  I'm not arguing that barbarian and rogues can hit harder than Dance Bards, just curious how you're applying triggering those attacks here.Truestrike needs a weapon and I though Unarmed Strike did not count as a weapon.  I would allow it but it doesn't seem RAW to me.Sometimes depending on the situation.  I can reserve a use for Cutting Words or use a spell slot in a pinch if I think it's worth it.This gets back to not having it for those who don't have BI given to them.  That's the benefit of Cutting Words; it can be used to help someone who didn't get BI.Inspiring Movement is an awesome ability.  You can do that with Mantle of Inspiration too if you're playing on dragging through zones.  Mantle of Inspiration grants movement to more allies than Inspiring Movement does.</blockquote>

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