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<blockquote data-quote="Marandahir" data-source="post: 9604124" data-attributes="member: 6803643"><p>They really haven't. Kithkin have always been the in-universe Halflings of MtG. </p><p></p><p>Halfling creature type was created to refer to Halflings by their actual species name in the D&D Crossover sets and this had dividends because then they could refer to Hobbits as Halflings in the LotR set without having to come up with a new creature type here. </p><p></p><p>If anything, Kithkin should go the way of the Viashino and just get merged into the Halfling creature type, because that's what it's been for used since 1994's <em>Legends </em>expansion first introduced them (Viashino were a creature type until last year, when the were merged into the Lizard creature type ahead of Bloomburrow which is filled with BR Lizardfolk that AREN'T Viashino, and 90% of the time Viashino have been Lizardfolk. The only exception has been <em>Streets of New Capenna</em>, where they're more akin to Dragonborn as they have breath weapons there. </p><p></p><p>I'd note that same set reimagined Cephalids (creature type Octopus) as humanoid beings walking on 2 legs, but with octopus heads, instead of being just Octopuses with humanoid intelligence and language to converse and treat with the other peoples of Otaria (when they last showed up - in 2001-2003's <em>Odyssey </em>and <em>Onslaught </em>blocks). But even despite the changes, they're not creature type Cephalids. They're creature type Octopus. And in <em>New Capenna</em>, Viashino are now creature type Lizard due to errata, not Dragon, even though Dragonborn in the D&D set are creature type Dragon. </p><p></p><p>This all comes down to WotC only using D&D creature types in D&D sets (unless the creature type has a reason to show up elsewhere such as Universes Beyond). Tiefling even has a MtG equivalent in the Azra of Kylem, but Tieflings weren't typed Azra in the D&D sets, nor were they typed Devil the way Dragonborn were typed Dragon; Tieflings were creature typed Tiefling. Probably because in 4e & 5e lore, Tieflings are NOT devils, but have a connection to devils. While Dragonborn -are- Dragons, just a cadet branch of them a la the Dragon Turtles (which appropriately typed both Dragon and Turtle in the D&D set of MtG). </p><p></p><p>Kithkin can and should be represented with Halflings. I could see an argument to represent them with Gnomes or Halflings, pick either. I could even see an argument for "Human, but size Small only" – though that would be hard to play "as is" out of the box. </p><p></p><p>These connundrums, I think, are a big part of why we didn't get Viashino in <em>Guildmaster's Guide to Ravnica</em>. People weren't sure why they were there if we have playable Dragonborn and Lizardfolk and Kobolds already. The other playable spp in GGtR were either entirely new to 5e (Centaurs, Loxodons, and Simic Hybrids), or Goblins, who were on a PR journey and a reworking over years since <em>Volo's Guide to Monsters</em>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marandahir, post: 9604124, member: 6803643"] They really haven't. Kithkin have always been the in-universe Halflings of MtG. Halfling creature type was created to refer to Halflings by their actual species name in the D&D Crossover sets and this had dividends because then they could refer to Hobbits as Halflings in the LotR set without having to come up with a new creature type here. If anything, Kithkin should go the way of the Viashino and just get merged into the Halfling creature type, because that's what it's been for used since 1994's [I]Legends [/I]expansion first introduced them (Viashino were a creature type until last year, when the were merged into the Lizard creature type ahead of Bloomburrow which is filled with BR Lizardfolk that AREN'T Viashino, and 90% of the time Viashino have been Lizardfolk. The only exception has been [I]Streets of New Capenna[/I], where they're more akin to Dragonborn as they have breath weapons there. I'd note that same set reimagined Cephalids (creature type Octopus) as humanoid beings walking on 2 legs, but with octopus heads, instead of being just Octopuses with humanoid intelligence and language to converse and treat with the other peoples of Otaria (when they last showed up - in 2001-2003's [I]Odyssey [/I]and [I]Onslaught [/I]blocks). But even despite the changes, they're not creature type Cephalids. They're creature type Octopus. And in [I]New Capenna[/I], Viashino are now creature type Lizard due to errata, not Dragon, even though Dragonborn in the D&D set are creature type Dragon. This all comes down to WotC only using D&D creature types in D&D sets (unless the creature type has a reason to show up elsewhere such as Universes Beyond). Tiefling even has a MtG equivalent in the Azra of Kylem, but Tieflings weren't typed Azra in the D&D sets, nor were they typed Devil the way Dragonborn were typed Dragon; Tieflings were creature typed Tiefling. Probably because in 4e & 5e lore, Tieflings are NOT devils, but have a connection to devils. While Dragonborn -are- Dragons, just a cadet branch of them a la the Dragon Turtles (which appropriately typed both Dragon and Turtle in the D&D set of MtG). Kithkin can and should be represented with Halflings. I could see an argument to represent them with Gnomes or Halflings, pick either. I could even see an argument for "Human, but size Small only" – though that would be hard to play "as is" out of the box. These connundrums, I think, are a big part of why we didn't get Viashino in [I]Guildmaster's Guide to Ravnica[/I]. People weren't sure why they were there if we have playable Dragonborn and Lizardfolk and Kobolds already. The other playable spp in GGtR were either entirely new to 5e (Centaurs, Loxodons, and Simic Hybrids), or Goblins, who were on a PR journey and a reworking over years since [I]Volo's Guide to Monsters[/I]. [/QUOTE]
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