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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BSF" data-source="post: 1847533" data-attributes="member: 13098">Deset Gled, my apologies.  I could swear I saw an 'r' in there, so I am not sure if I need new glasses, or just more sleep so my brain is less likely to skip over such things.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I completely agree that it is difficult to really understand what the best option is without all the details.  It brings the discussion more to an academic debate than anything based on real-world concerns.  But really, I am fine with that.  I am not on the server team and I don''t expect to have all the details.  However, I have offered to help in the past, and that offer is pretty much a standing invitation.  I have confidence that if Kevin or Russ really thought I could bring something valuable to their discussions and decisions, they would ask.  That they have not felt the need to ask just tells me that they have people already helping.  Really, that's a great feeling to me.  They have enough people helping and they have the wisdom to know that too many helpers becomes counter-productive.  Too many cooks and all that.   I can understand your perspective though.  We don't see all the discussions going on behind the scenes.  We also want EN World to be as good as it possibly can be.  It is hard to simply have faith that all options have been reviewed.  You see problems, you see an offered solution, but were all the T's crossed and all the I's dotted?  As far as the problems we have seen to date, perhaps I have a slightly different perspective?  My job is network and system administration and there might be times when it is easier for me to see the difference between an ISP issue and a server side issue.  Though, I don't really know, since I don't know what background you have.  By my observations, EN World doesn't have many issues on the ISP side.  The issues come from hardware that is being taxed and needs to be retired.  For what little value my assurances can offer, Cyberstreet hasn't been the source of our problems.  There is another consideration that comes into play when evaluating a hosted vs dedicated server vs co-located server decision.  Morrus & Piratecat both mentioned that Adlon gives them a certain amount of peace of mind.  That is one consideration that is very hard to factor into a value assessment.  It is hard to put a dollar amount on that relationship.  But there is a lot of value to be had from somebody working to resolve problems that actually cares about our community.  Problems will occur.  Whether it is a hardware component shorting out, data corruption, etc, something will happen.  When a problem crops up, you want somebody who will work beyond the call of duty to fix that problem.  All other things being equal, you want to go with a solution that has the strongest relationships attached to it.  I think Adlon, Thomas Heretic and Cyberstreet provide a very strong base to work from and we are pretty lucky overall.  Deset Gled, you are asking questions and you are trying to be part of the solution.  In the scheme of things, I am just another user who is proud to be part of the community here.  But I appreciate that you are willing to ask the questions and if the server team seems a little quiet on all of this, I suspect it might have to do with them already hashing a lot of issues out in the backchannels.  I hope nobody takes offense at the discussion because in the end we are all after the same goal.  We want EN World to be a great place to visit.  OK, maybe my post sounds a lot like "Have faith" and "Yeah it's good to have a guy on site."  I suppose it is, to some degree.  But really I am just trying to provide reassurance that I haven't seen the server team stumble in this process.  If I thought they were really making a mistake, I would come out and say so.</blockquote>

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