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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Egres" data-source="post: 2175703" data-attributes="member: 23200">Hi.I'm having a rule debate regarding the Telekinesis spell, and I would appreciate the EnWorld community feedback.This is the question: can I use the Telekinesis Violent Thrust maneuver to obtain the Fling Skyward effect of the Mage of the Unseen Hand...without the Prc?In other words, does the spell allow this usage even without taking the 5th level of the PrC?IMHO the answer is clearly No, and for these reasons:1) The PrC would be useless.2) The reading of the Violent Thrust isn't that of a creature being flung somewhere, but things being flung at a creature. Now, the "things" can be a creature, and the "creature" can be any target, but the emphasis is still flinging something at something else.3) Violent Thrust: Alternatively, the spell energy can be spent in a single round. You can hurl one object or creature per caster level (maximum 15) that are within range and all within 10 feet of each other toward any target within 10 feet per level of all the objects. You can hurl up to a total weight of 25 pounds per caster level (maximum 375 pounds at 15th level)Ok:we need a second target.What's a target anyway?Let's read:Target or Targets: Some spells have a target or targets. You cast these spells on creatures or objects, as defined by the spell itself. You must be able to see or touch the target, and you must specifically choose that target. You do not have to select your target until you finish casting the spell.Is a point in mid-air a valid target?By the RAW no.Is it a creature?No.Is it an object?No.No target, no mid air.Another point worth to be noticed:SilenceIllusion (Glamer)Level: Brd 2, Clr 2Components: V, SCasting Time: 1 standard actionRange: Long (400 ft. + 40 ft./level)Area: 20-ft.-radius emanation centered on a creature, object, or point in spaceDuration: 1 min./level (D)Saving Throw: Will negates; see text or none (object)Spell Resistance: Yes; see text or no (object)As you can see a point in space is clearly defined as something different from a creature or an object, and in order to target a point in space you'll need a spell that specifically defines that you can do it.Thanks in advance for your replies. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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