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<blockquote data-quote="helium3" data-source="post: 2326566" data-attributes="member: 31301">I would either rule that you can violent thrust creatures in any direction you want (even straight up with the subsequent falling damage) or that you can't &quot;grab hold&quot; of living creatures with violent thrust at all under any circumstances. &nbsp;I understand the arguments for why people don't want characters to be able to throw monsters into the air (and vice versa) because it does seem a bit overpowered for a lowish level spell. That goes double for psions since they can get so many more thrusts in a given day. However, I think that trying to make some sort of weird rule about having to thrust at an &quot;object&quot; is just plain unwieldy. There's all sorts of weird ways to get around this rule using other spells and just throwing stuff into the air and trying to thrust at it.&nbsp;If you think it's over-powered, ban it and be done with the debate.&nbsp;As for AoO's, I'd say no unless the caster is specifically using a telekinetic bull rush and the rules state that creatures being bull-rushed are subject to AoO's.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="helium3, post: 2326566, member: 31301"] I would either rule that you can violent thrust creatures in any direction you want (even straight up with the subsequent falling damage) or that you can't "grab hold" of living creatures with violent thrust at all under any circumstances. I understand the arguments for why people don't want characters to be able to throw monsters into the air (and vice versa) because it does seem a bit overpowered for a lowish level spell. That goes double for psions since they can get so many more thrusts in a given day. However, I think that trying to make some sort of weird rule about having to thrust at an "object" is just plain unwieldy. There's all sorts of weird ways to get around this rule using other spells and just throwing stuff into the air and trying to thrust at it. If you think it's over-powered, ban it and be done with the debate. As for AoO's, I'd say no unless the caster is specifically using a telekinetic bull rush and the rules state that creatures being bull-rushed are subject to AoO's. [/QUOTE]

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