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<blockquote data-quote="Amal Shukup" data-source="post: 1148920" data-attributes="member: 6291">A Xill (summoned by the BBEG) has succesfully grappled and pinned a character, and is fading away to the ethereal Plane. Once there, Paralysis/Implantation will occur, the character will be abandoned, and the Xill will return for another snack...&nbsp;So far, the Party's attempts to kill the Xill and/or rescue the victim have been foiled - mostly due to the 20% (and now 50%) miss chance imposed by the Xill's quasi-ethereal state.&nbsp;Only one creature still has a chance to interfere with this evolution - a Hound Archon (involved as a Lesser Planar Ally). His plan, (presuming he overcomes the 50% miss chance) is to grab/touch the grappled character and teleport away to safety.&nbsp;The Archon's teleport ability is limited to the Archon + 50 pounds of objects. While not an 'object', the character and all her gear weigh only 45 pounds... &nbsp;(and, not to pick nits, but in what way is a body, unconscious, dead, or otherwise, not an 'object' on some level?)&nbsp;Is this attempt to be foiled by:a) Yer a Halfling, not an 'object'. TOO BAD (probably)
b) Grappled. Therefore an attended object and 'entitled' to a save.
c) WHOSE save? the character's, acting as the object in question? or the Xill's by some mechanism I do not fully understand?
I will probably allow this to work (providing the miss chance is overcome) simply because it was a cool idea by the player running the Archon, but I'd like to have some black letter to go by...&nbsp;On a related note... Where, if anywhere, is there a rule with respect to attacking creatures involved in a grapple? Can you hit the wrong creature by mistake? is there a cover issue? I know one gets a bonus for grappling an enemy already grappled by one's ally, but the rest is somewhat unclear...&nbsp;Thanks!&nbsp;Amal</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Amal Shukup, post: 1148920, member: 6291"] A Xill (summoned by the BBEG) has succesfully grappled and pinned a character, and is fading away to the ethereal Plane. Once there, Paralysis/Implantation will occur, the character will be abandoned, and the Xill will return for another snack... So far, the Party's attempts to kill the Xill and/or rescue the victim have been foiled - mostly due to the 20% (and now 50%) miss chance imposed by the Xill's quasi-ethereal state. Only one creature still has a chance to interfere with this evolution - a Hound Archon (involved as a Lesser Planar Ally). His plan, (presuming he overcomes the 50% miss chance) is to grab/touch the grappled character and teleport away to safety. The Archon's teleport ability is limited to the Archon + 50 pounds of objects. While not an 'object', the character and all her gear weigh only 45 pounds... (and, not to pick nits, but in what way is a body, unconscious, dead, or otherwise, not an 'object' on some level?) Is this attempt to be foiled by: [indent]a) Yer a Halfling, not an 'object'. TOO BAD (probably) b) Grappled. Therefore an attended object and 'entitled' to a save. c) WHOSE save? the character's, acting as the object in question? or the Xill's by some mechanism I do not fully understand? [/indent]I will probably allow this to work (providing the miss chance is overcome) simply because it was a cool idea by the player running the Archon, but I'd like to have some black letter to go by... On a related note... Where, if anywhere, is there a rule with respect to attacking creatures involved in a grapple? Can you hit the wrong creature by mistake? is there a cover issue? I know one gets a bonus for grappling an enemy already grappled by one's ally, but the rest is somewhat unclear... Thanks! Amal [/QUOTE]

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