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Message: <blockquote data-quote="takyris" data-source="post: 2176707" data-attributes="member: 5171">I'm mainly referring to other threads. I haven't seen much in this thread that merited more exploration of ENWorld's Ignore User stuff.Well, you're an intelligent person with the ability to differentiate between "I don't like that" and "It's not good". If everyone were like you, apple pie and quiche would never have had to enter the picture. (And really, wouldn't that have been best for everyone?)I feel odd rushing to BR's defense as much as I have (and that's less than many, I'm well aware), because my own interest in romance fantasy is borderline. I read Mercedes Lackey and finished it but didn't feel compelled to read a lot more, read Shark-Jumpers of Pern or whatever that series is, or at least the first four or five books and the side-books with the singers and drummers -- and liked them when I read them, but don't feel an urge to go back and reread now. I loved Kristen Britain's two books, and I think that if she could put out books more often than she does, she'd be a lot more well-known. I've read the first two books of Jude Fisher's Fool's Gold series, which is arguably romance fantasy, and I find it an interesting experiment in gender-role study by someone who, I'm guessing, didn't do a lot of gender-role study in college. (The books are good, but the feminist stuff is pretty simplistic -- although it's possible I'm biased because I've got a feminist-studies writer buddy. Still, I personally never took any feminist studies classes, so I shouldn't be noting the logical fallacies of someone writing a gender-role study book.)So I feel like I'm kind of in the boat of "I'll read good romance fantasy, but I don't have time for the bad stuff," whereas with swords & sorcery or lighthearted swashbuckling-fantasy (if you can find it, because there's not really a great sub-genre for it yet, I think), I'll pretty much read even a bad one and enjoy it. If I read a bad romance fantasy novel, it's because I have no other books, and I've stopped reading for enjoyment and started reading as an exercise in what I'd do differently as a writer. I don't have Blue Rose and don't feel a huge need to get it, since it's not a game I'd be likely to run in the near future -- I'd be into it, but my geek-buddies would not. (And the one particular bit of crunch I'd have loved -- a more in-depth look at Diplomacy, Bluff, Intimidate, and good rules on how those can be used on players or how players can use those on each other, so that you can actually have a Dangerous-Liaisons kind of double-cross with banter across the ballroom and lies within lies and all that good stuff -- isn't addressed.)(Ironically, an editor at Tor's paranomal romance department (which handles SF, Fantasy, Horror, Space Opera, Cyberpunk, whatever, as long as it has a strong love story in it) just asked to see the complete manuscript for my most recent novel. Maybe I'm more into romance fantasy than I thought.)</blockquote>

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