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<blockquote data-quote="Henry" data-source="post: 2040756" data-attributes="member: 158"><p>And people ask me why I move these threads to the appropriate forums... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p><p></p><p>Actually, (meta-pontificating a moment) the C&C threads of late have entered a second tier, distinct from the C&C threads on ENWorld from a few months ago... and the difference is that the game's been RELEASED.</p><p></p><p>Previously, we saw threads lightly peppered with hostile snipes against various aspects of AD&D and 3E, because the only thing we had to compare it to up till about three months ago was AD&D. We of course had the well-reasoned "we're not threatening anybody" responses from Cleaver and Gideon, and we had the lovers of earlier editions chiming in very general statements of why AD&D, and hence C&C, was better than the newer editions in their opinion, and we had some chiming in of the defenders of new editions who saw all that as untrue and therefore a challenge. The playtesters, hands tied, had to describe the indescribeable and human nature what it is it consistently devolved into edition wars.</p><p></p><p>Over the past month, the C&C threads have included people who now can say something about the rules, and who more importantly have intimate knowledge of BOTH old and new, or more correctly knowledge of C&C and 3E. Even those who don't like C&C have been respectful at least. At worst, people have gotten heated, but stopped short of being insulting. It's a definitely different "gentlemen's agreement" tone in these recent threads, which I thank the fellow posters for.</p><p></p><p>The main reason I've left this and the previous posts in general a while before moving them to their correct forum has been to expose more people to C&C, because there is a curiousity about it.</p><p></p><p>I'm not moving this one because the consistent theme so far has been not discussion of C&C, but discussion of comparison to 3E in general. The more people who try it out, may wind up discussing it in more detail, and one thing I like encouraging is discussion of new games, and reminding those who dislike the detail of 3E but like the core precepts to have plenty of other options to explore. I think Blue Rose, as it becomes more widespread, will be another good choice for this.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Henry, post: 2040756, member: 158"] And people ask me why I move these threads to the appropriate forums... :p Actually, (meta-pontificating a moment) the C&C threads of late have entered a second tier, distinct from the C&C threads on ENWorld from a few months ago... and the difference is that the game's been RELEASED. Previously, we saw threads lightly peppered with hostile snipes against various aspects of AD&D and 3E, because the only thing we had to compare it to up till about three months ago was AD&D. We of course had the well-reasoned "we're not threatening anybody" responses from Cleaver and Gideon, and we had the lovers of earlier editions chiming in very general statements of why AD&D, and hence C&C, was better than the newer editions in their opinion, and we had some chiming in of the defenders of new editions who saw all that as untrue and therefore a challenge. The playtesters, hands tied, had to describe the indescribeable and human nature what it is it consistently devolved into edition wars. Over the past month, the C&C threads have included people who now can say something about the rules, and who more importantly have intimate knowledge of BOTH old and new, or more correctly knowledge of C&C and 3E. Even those who don't like C&C have been respectful at least. At worst, people have gotten heated, but stopped short of being insulting. It's a definitely different "gentlemen's agreement" tone in these recent threads, which I thank the fellow posters for. The main reason I've left this and the previous posts in general a while before moving them to their correct forum has been to expose more people to C&C, because there is a curiousity about it. I'm not moving this one because the consistent theme so far has been not discussion of C&C, but discussion of comparison to 3E in general. The more people who try it out, may wind up discussing it in more detail, and one thing I like encouraging is discussion of new games, and reminding those who dislike the detail of 3E but like the core precepts to have plenty of other options to explore. I think Blue Rose, as it becomes more widespread, will be another good choice for this. [/QUOTE]
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