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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bolie" data-source="post: 2046465" data-attributes="member: 8312">The Druid's shapeshifting abilities are so minor that they don't really give you much of an advantage over starting from scratch.  I'd rather spend my time making my character and not his class.If that one sentence is "New strength, dexterity, and constitution scores may affect final attack bonsues." then I agree with you.  But using your suggestion leads to the following.If my wizard polymorph a 1st level fighter, an 8th level fighter, and a 12th level fighter into Hill Giants, the 1st level fighter is suddenly much more powerful.  The 8th level fighter is pretty close to the same, and the 12th level fighter is substantially weaker.  If monster attack bonuses are used, then they all three have the same attack bonus?  If not, then they all three have exactly the same base to hit as they had before.  Actually, they don't.  Any fighter with a strength bonus to hit loses that.  Or keeps it, which would mean his strength didn't change even though he was now twice as tall and presumably much stronger.Primes do not affect hit points, ac, to hit rolls, or damage.  Presumably, being polymorphed into a stronger form or a faster form would affect some of those.Monsters do not use a different system.  They use the SEIGE engine for saving throws and checks, just like players.  They even get their HD where players get their level.  The only difference is that all monsters effectively have attributes in the 9-12 range.  It's very easy to determine this based on the fact that all of the rolls they make are identical to the rolls players make and the bonuses correspond.  HD -> level, 12/18 based on primes, etc...Also, does my wizard lose his Int prime when he polymorphs into a Hill Giant?  He keeps his mental abilities according to the spell...It's more than I started with when I played Basic D&D or Man to Man.  But I'm not critiquing those systems.I understand that it's a game.  But rules that are internally inconsistent and incomplete don't get out of my way.  They get in my way by forcing me to deal with them.  With 3e, I can house rule or not.  It generally has rules for everything.  With C&C, I can't just play along.  I must make house rules for things.  I have to take time to talk to my DM and come up with rules for situation that are covered in 3e that I can't ignore, like spellcasting.  Spellcasting is not an optional rule.  The polymorph spell is a pretty cool spell.  Having to make up house rules just to use it is annoying.I'm sure that's what was intended.  That's not what it felt like to me.Bolie IV</blockquote>

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