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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bolie" data-source="post: 2046899" data-attributes="member: 8312">For the record, I have not argued that C&C or d20 is better.  I have been pointing what I consider flaws in C&C in answer to the question "Tell me about C&C."  Others have pointed out its strengths.  I've even pointed out some strengths...I responded to that comment on polymorph and giants on the Troll Lords message board.  To sum up, he's wrong.  Monsters don't use different mechanics.  They use exactly the same mechanics (d20 rolls to hit, AC, hit points, SEIGE engine for skills/saves).Having said that, if polymorph is intended to give the subject the monster's exact stats, nothing more and nothing less (with a couple of exceptions like spells if the new form has the appropriate parts), then that's fine.  That's not at all what the spell says.  So the spell description should be changed in the reprint and the errata.I've pointed out several specific ways in which the C&C rules are internally inconsistent and haven't seen any explanation of how I'm wrong other than "Uh uh, they are not!" or in the case of polymorph the answers haven't really addressed my comments.The "extras" that I've been talking about consist of one basic spell, spellcasting in general, charging in combat, and overbearing.  If these are intended to be extras or optional, they should be labeled as such.  But either way, the rules given should be more clear.  As written, they have errors or inconsistencies or are incomplete.I'm not out to insult anyone or denigrate anyone.  If people like C&C, that's fine.  I know (obviously from these threads) that there are people who don't really care how well the rules hang together, they don't care to follow them anyway.  There's nothing wrong with that.  Those people won't be interested in my comments because they will be moot to how they play.  People who do try to follow the rules or who like messing with the system will find the same things I'm finding.  Some will fix them and move on without a problem.  Others won't want to or will be annoyed like me.This thread is about C&C and sharing experiences.  I've discussed my experiences with C&C.  I'll freely admit that having a good DM has made a big difference.  Not everyone has a good DM (you can't always be choosy).Bolie IV</blockquote>

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