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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Samuel Leming" data-source="post: 1868694" data-attributes="member: 16462">Hmmmm.  I'd guess the Europe-analog would develop an unarmed combatant more in line with the modern martial artist than the monk.This looks like a good idea.The 3.x monk is much more dedicated to personal improvement than the AD&D monk.  Which comes first, the inner and outer dedications?YepUmm... Yep <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />I've borrowed a copy of D20 Modern, but haven't found Grim Tales yet.  If it's as good as y'all say, I'll order it online.Hi, it's me, the original poster.  I'm enjoying the thread as is, but I do appreciate your concern. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I'm all for the modifiable monk.  Their physical discipline is only the tool they use for achieving physical perfection and can be different for the various orders.I will use this.I like adding the spontaneous caster option to the cloistered cleric for the European monk.  So I guess I'm with you there also.Sam</blockquote>