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Message: <blockquote data-quote="frandelgearslip" data-source="post: 2652373" data-attributes="member: 19631">I think that is a perfect response to some of the justification of Martin sex over Goodkind sex.Shall we talk about the time in Storm of Swords when 15 year old (or so, she started at 13 I think she is 15 now) daenyrys is masturbating in the ship bunk and then her maid um..helps her out for a lack of a better term.  I would like to see someone, anyone make an arguement that the underage lesbian sex there had an actual point.  I would like to add that RA Salvatore includes the same thing in his novel Homeland, and we all know that Salvatore fills his books with graphic sex scenes.Thats laughable.  I love wizards first rule (how many books does the hero win by using his brains and not his sword or some ancient magical power), but I can't believe you can claim he didn't rip off Jordan there with a straight face.I don't really care if somebody thinks martin is ten times better than goodkind (especially since I wouldn't disagree with it outside Goodkinds first book), but I am tired of listening to people trash Goodkind for graphic sex in one thread and then post that Martin is the greatest thing since sliced bread in another thread when Martin is far far worse with regards to graphic sex.</blockquote>