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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kroax" data-source="post: 3237562" data-attributes="member: 1142">True, I hadn't considered that. The main reason I compared it with a fighter was because it was the easiest class to compare it to. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />I've done some quick calculations to the other main melee warriors (except the monk), and although it's not as obvious as with a fighter, they're also usually better of with this prestige class than not.Barbarian[sblock]Barbarian 15Improved Uncanny dodge+4 to Trap SenseDR 3/-2 rages/dayGreater RageIndomitable Will1 attackAn average of 20 hpRogue/Bard 1/Barbarian 4/Chameleon 10Assuming he chooses the combat and divine focuses each day he gains:+6 to an ability3 uses/day of rage, evasion, smite, sneak attack and/ord turn/rebuke undeadOne bonus feat that gets to be rechoosen each day+4 damage to ALL weapons+6 to Fort+3 to Will saves+4 to Knowledge (Religion)Cast up to lvl 6 divine spells as a lvl 20 casterBeing able to switch one of his focuses in 10 minutes once a dayHeavy Armor (although to use it he looses the +10 speed)(Lvl 1 rogue/bard stuff including saves and skill point, but that's a given)[/sblock]The barbarian mostly looses a little bit of toughness by going chameleon, but not too much and nothing that can't be helped by applying the +6 ability bonus to constitution. Loosing Greater Rage might look like a big loss, but if you add the +6 to con there won't a big difference anyway. The +4 to damage rules that part out in favor of chameleon, so it's only the +to hit bonus that the barbarian benefit from. Longer rages and more damage seems like a fair trade to me for a "lousy" +1 to hit.Fighter (recalculated)[sblock]Fighter 154 bonus feats1 attackAccess to fighter-only featsAn average of 10 hp.Rogue/Bard 1/fighter 4/chameleon 10 Assuming he chooses the combat and divine focuses each day he gains:+6 to an ability score3 uses/day of rage, evasion, smite, sneak attack and/ord turn/rebuke undeadThe ability to rechoose one of his feats every day10 more skillpoint+4 damage to ALL weapons+6 to Fort +3 to Will saves+4 to Knowledge (Religion)Cast up to lvl 6 divine spells as a lvl 20 caster (heal anyone?)Being able to switch one of his focuses in 10 minutes once a day(Lvl 1 rogue/bard stuff including saves and skill point, but that's a given)[/sblock]"We can rebuild him. We got the prestige class. We can make him stronger, smarter and able to cast spells."Seriously, there's pretty much nothing a lvl 15 fighter can do that this chameleon can't do better. And then he still got a ton of tricks up his sleeve. The only thing the chameleon can't do is get the bonus for Improved Weapon Focus and some insane feat combo that requires 8 to 12 feats to pull off. Or three attacks.Paladin[sblock]Paladin 15Special MountAn average of 10 hpSmite Evil 3/day (All gainable through Mimic Class Feature that works on non evil)+10 damage of Smite Evil (only +5 when using Mimic Class Feature)Less than a third of Lay on Hands1 attackTurn undead (although she can do it better as a chameleon)Most spells (although she can do it better as a chameleon)Rogue/bard 1/Paladin 4/Chameleon 10Assuming she chooses the combat and divine focuses each day she gains:+6 to an ability (wisdom or charisma perhaps?)3 uses/day of rage, evasion, smite, sneak attack and/ord turn/rebuke undeadOne bonus feat that gets to be rechoosen each day10 more skillpoint+4 damage to ALL weapons+6 to Fort saves+3 Will saves+4 to Knowledge (Religion)Cast up to lvl 6 divine spells as a lvl 20 casterBeing able to switch one of his focuses in 10 minutes once a day(Lvl 1 rogue/bard stuff including saves and skill point, but that's a given)[/sblock]This chameleon can do pretty much the same thing as the paladin. Although it is slightly worse at the more specialized abilities Smite Evil and Lay on Hands, most of the things a paladin can do at lvl 15 the chameleon can do, only better. The only big hit is the paladin's mount.The greatest failure of logic here though is, well... Exactly how often do you see a rogue/paladin multiclass?Ranger[sblock]Ranger 154 favored enemiesImproved Combat Style + Mastery5 equivalent druid levels for animal companion+10 to Wild Empathy (+5 compared to Wild Focus)Woodland Stride (unless using wild focus)Swift TrackerEvasion (although she can mimic it 3/day one minute at a time)CamouflageMost spells (although she can do it better as a chameleon)1 attackRogue/Bard 1/Ranger 4/Chameleon 10Assuming she chooses the combat and divine focuses each day she gains:+6 to an ability score3 uses/day of rage, evasion, smite, sneak attack and/ord turn/rebuke undeadOne bonus feat that gets to be rechoosen each day+4 damage to ALL weapons+6 to Fort saves+3 Will saves+4 to Knowledge (Religion)Cast up to lvl 6 divine spells as a lvl 20 casterBeing able to switch one of his focuses in 10 minutes once a dayMedium and Heavy armor (although it negates Combat Style)(Lvl 1 rogue/bard stuff including saves and skill point, but that's a given)[/sblock]The rangers suffers from taking the chameleon class in the same way as the paladin. Most of the losses are gained by chameleon abilities, but the big difference is that they're usually only available when using wild focus. Also, the rangers companion will never grow as strong as a "true" ranger's, but with his newfound spellcasting ability he should be more than able to whip up a summon creature spell.The big hit for rangers comes in the form of combat style, as the chameleon will need to use several feats to become as good and meet the prerequisites to take them. The upside is that his attacks now packs a little more punch than they used to.In addition to the benefits I noted, it's also good to remember that  when that's all done and said, they can still pull of other class roles. The fact of a lvl 20 caster at lvl 15 comes to mind, although fortunately it's "only" up to lvl 6 spells. And in theory they can cast all spells, although the divine ones are easier/cheaper to come by than the arcane.To me the mundane combat part is a bit over the top in this PrC and the all too high caster level is also a bit odd to me. If you base the character on a caster the choice might not be as obvious as you'll loose your higher level spells. A caster that takes the PrC they will loose some to gain some, and that's how I see a "jack of all trades" PrC should work. It should be "jack of all trades, master of none" and not "jack of all trades, master of two at a time". Sure, maybe master of one, but not two. Or be good at two trades, but not master them.The fact that I have been awake for over 24 hours might have clouded my judgement on this, so please feel free to point out where I'm wrong. I like the concept of this PrC and think it would be great fun to use it, but the way I view it now it's just too much over the top.</blockquote>

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