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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kaodi" data-source="post: 3237751" data-attributes="member: 1231">You should really take your comparisons all the way to 20th. Also, no melee class could qualify as a chameleon at 5th level without at least two levels of rogue.  Hell, no melee class could qualify for chameleon without two levels of rogue until 13th level. At least as I understand it. The Able Learner feat *does not* allow you to exceed the number of ranks you can place in a cross-class skill, only purchase them 1/1.So, a human rogue 2/fighter 8/chameleon 10 with Str 20, Dex 14, Con 13, Int 12, Wis 8, Cha 10 using dual combat bonus/divine focus (because it is unclear to me whether you can have two ability boons at any given time, no spellcasting) would have:Avg 128 HPMelee Atk +28/+23/+18 w/+12 Damage Able Learner + 7 Feats + 5 Bonus Fighter Feats + Chameleon Feat112 Skill PointsUncanny Dodge3 Uses/Day of Any Combination of Evasion, Rage or Substandard Smite, Sneak Attack, TurnFort +11, Ref +7, Will +5A human fighter 20 with the same scores would have:Avg 144 HPMelee Atk +25/+20/+15/+10 w/+5 Damage8 Feats + 11 Bonus Fighter Feats80 Skill PointsFort +13, Ref +8, Will +5Ouch.Change the ability scores around so that the Chameleon can use all of their divine spells, and the disparity gets a little better, until they start casting those spells. But then again, a buffed cleric would own a fighter anyway. Except, if we assume a standing start, the fighter would probably defeat the chameleon w/spells while it was busy casting them. Hard to say what a fighter could do with those extra five feats though. However, the fighter is one of the few classes a focused chameleon would be superior to. A bard would be owned by a chameleon too, and maybe a rogue. On the other hand, a mystic theurge is a much better mystic theurge than a chameleon, for while they might not have a caster level quite as high, then can have 9th level spells and 7th level spells compared to a small number of 6 and 6.Of course, why would you allow someone to be a chameleon just to be a better fighter? A 20th level chameleon would probably have a -much- less focused list of equipment than a real fighter. +5 mithral full plate is only useful to a combat/divine, and if you allow yourself to be trapped in one combination your entire career, you're not really playing the class. Same with +5 heavy shield. Based on stats alone, of course the chameleon is going to be superior to the fighter. In actual gameplay though, the chances are the fighter is going to be better equipped for pure fighting. Or rather, a chameleon would be a better fighter than the fighter in a rollplaying game, but probably not a roleplaying game.</blockquote>

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