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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wulf Ratbane" data-source="post: 2083248" data-attributes="member: 94">Power rating is calculated from CR, not vice versa. Since you're squaring CR to find power, there shouldn't be any fractions, ever.Agreed.I suspect it's because EL does not transfer 1:1 from the DMG system to the GT system. That is to say, EL 15 (DMG) <> EL 15 (GT).But let's check your numbers and see. All of the following are GT numbers.Four 15th level PCs = EL 21.This means that for them, a CR15 creature (EL17) is indeed a moderate encounter. (A moderate encounter will be EL -4, as shown on Table 1 in the PDF.)Eight 15th level PCs = EL 23 (notice, you doubled the number of party members, and EL increased by 2). In order to have a moderate encounter for this party, you would want EL 19 (EL -4). Two CR15 creatures = EL 19. Exact same ratio.To put it another way:...but in GT, a CR15 encounter is EL17......but in GT, a CR21 creature is EL19.Your question is not meant to quibble the numbers or terminology: I see your point.Yes, they can face this creature.It's vastly different because it's "true." A party of eight 15th level characters should have only "moderate" difficulty with a CR21 creature.I believe it was this discrepancy between the way the DMG predicted EL outcomes at high CRs and what he was actually seeing in his game that led Upper_Krust to revisit the system in the first place.Wulf</blockquote>