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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jefe Bergenstein" data-source="post: 3087100" data-attributes="member: 31506">The weapon is essentially a +7 weapon, a ring of invisibility, and gloves of dex +6 all rolled into one. By my calculations, its roughly 182,000. The invis function is about a ring of invisibility (20,000, x 1.5 for added function), and the dex is 36,000 * 1.5, on top of the 98000 for the weapon.So you trade the above for about 130k gold. Equal? I dont know.  But what I do know is that that trade sucks even more if you have someone with craft arms and armor in the group. The cost of the weapon becomes 91,000. Would you trade those penalties for a savings of 37300? I wouldnt, none of my players would either. Would you allow someone to make a magic item that gave them an untyped +2 to all attacks, +3 to all skills, +8 HP and +18 skill points for that? I probably wouldnt.One common feat trumps the system. They should have included a way for someone with craft arms and armor to mitigate some of the penalties easily.I'd actually place the weapon more like a +5 weapon, since the wielders have the same attack roll. So thats more like a base price of 134,000 gold. Less the cost of rituals, and the party without craft arms and armor saves 80,300 gold. If the party has access to someone w craft arms and armor, the cost drops to 67,000, with a net savings of 13,300 (ie, completely worthless).</blockquote>