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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5039240" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>Which is exactly why they have made a consistent differentiation between "move" and "enter" which is a totally consistent ruling they've used for over a year now. Storm Pillar didn't HAVE to get errata. The errata was just a misguided attempt to make it more obvious what was intended from the very start.</p><p></p><p>WotC's problem is they failed miserably to devise a terminology that clearly distinguished between forced movement and normal movement from the very start. Now they're stuck with this turd of bad terminology which pervades 100's of powers and other related parts of the rules. To REALLY fix it would require an epic sized errata which they obviously just aren't willing to do. So the end result is that we have "move" vs "enter" as a sort of hack. Still, its a consistent hack which they've stuck with for a long time and while its a horribly awkward use of terms it is clear IF you're aware of how they've approached it. Of course for the vast majority of DMs who aren't sitting around reading the Q&A threads on a regular basis its about as clear as mud.</p><p></p><p>@abbysaldeath, you can complain about it and dismiss CS out of hand all you want. Sit down at an event where the official rules are used and guess what? It will be played exactly as I outlined. Protest it all you want, them's the rules of the game. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Of course you can do anything you want at your table, but the theory that it isn't the rules according to WotC will still be wrong.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5039240, member: 82106"] Which is exactly why they have made a consistent differentiation between "move" and "enter" which is a totally consistent ruling they've used for over a year now. Storm Pillar didn't HAVE to get errata. The errata was just a misguided attempt to make it more obvious what was intended from the very start. WotC's problem is they failed miserably to devise a terminology that clearly distinguished between forced movement and normal movement from the very start. Now they're stuck with this turd of bad terminology which pervades 100's of powers and other related parts of the rules. To REALLY fix it would require an epic sized errata which they obviously just aren't willing to do. So the end result is that we have "move" vs "enter" as a sort of hack. Still, its a consistent hack which they've stuck with for a long time and while its a horribly awkward use of terms it is clear IF you're aware of how they've approached it. Of course for the vast majority of DMs who aren't sitting around reading the Q&A threads on a regular basis its about as clear as mud. @abbysaldeath, you can complain about it and dismiss CS out of hand all you want. Sit down at an event where the official rules are used and guess what? It will be played exactly as I outlined. Protest it all you want, them's the rules of the game. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Of course you can do anything you want at your table, but the theory that it isn't the rules according to WotC will still be wrong. [/QUOTE]
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