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<blockquote data-quote="Lord Pendragon" data-source="post: 1342164" data-attributes="member: 707">That is the question, isn't it?Currently players are shooting for PrCs such as the Weapon Master, Candle Caster, and Sacred Fist, so I don't mind if the Golden Falcon is on-par with those PrCs.&nbsp; However, I'd rather it not be significantly stronger.One of your main points seems to be the combination of a full BAB with Wily and Falcon Assimilation, which could allow a character to gain a +8 to attack over 5 levels, with 3 extra abilities thrown in.&nbsp; How would the class look if I lowered Falcon Assimilation to +1, stackable with Wily, or removed the ability altogether?My thoughts during the design process were that for a fighter-type, a +3 bonus to attack was a fair trade-off, when you consider that the PC would give up fighter bonus feats that can be used for skills such as Improved Trip, Improved Critical, and Superior Weapon Specialization.&nbsp; Likewise Falcon Training II and III were meant to be somewhat suboptimal for a pure fighter-type.&nbsp; The AC bonus ability relies on Charisma, and Falcon Power provides a small bonus only a few times a day.Your comments make me wonder if perhaps I have misvalued the +3 to attack a fighter could gain from the class.&nbsp; It does occur to me that if he had Power Attack he could shift these points into damage without any net loss to his attack roll...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lord Pendragon, post: 1342164, member: 707"] That is the question, isn't it? Currently players are shooting for PrCs such as the Weapon Master, Candle Caster, and Sacred Fist, so I don't mind if the Golden Falcon is on-par with those PrCs. However, I'd rather it not be significantly stronger. One of your main points seems to be the combination of a full BAB with [i]Wily[/i] and [i]Falcon Assimilation[/i], which could allow a character to gain a +8 to attack over 5 levels, with 3 extra abilities thrown in. How would the class look if I lowered [i]Falcon Assimilation[/i] to +1, stackable with [i]Wily[/i], or removed the ability altogether? My thoughts during the design process were that for a fighter-type, a +3 bonus to attack was a fair trade-off, when you consider that the PC would give up fighter bonus feats that can be used for skills such as Improved Trip, Improved Critical, and Superior Weapon Specialization. Likewise Falcon Training II and III were meant to be somewhat suboptimal for a pure fighter-type. The AC bonus ability relies on Charisma, and [i]Falcon Power[/i] provides a small bonus only a few times a day. Your comments make me wonder if perhaps I have misvalued the +3 to attack a fighter could gain from the class. It does occur to me that if he had Power Attack he could shift these points into damage without any net loss to his attack roll... [/QUOTE]

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