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<blockquote data-quote="Brother MacLaren" data-source="post: 2058814" data-attributes="member: 15999">I have great respect for internal consistency and game logic.&nbsp; I have a greater respect for fun and the feel of a setting.&nbsp; Given a conflict between the two, I'd want the DM to make decisions such that the feel of the setting and the fun of the game are preserved.&nbsp; For example, if the DM and the players like the image of mounted knights, the DM may have to cut back the assumed prevalence of wizards among NPCs to ensure that the cavalry charge is still a potent force on the battlefield - but he can do this without hurting the PCs at all, just ignore the DMG demographics.&nbsp; If the players and DM agree that magic shops detract from the game, then they should feel free to discard them, internal logic be damned.I have no respect at all for the DMG demographics - I didn't buy the DMG as a campaign setting manual.&nbsp; High level NPCs only run around the place if the DM says they do, and even then magic shops only exist if the DM says they do - the DM is free to come up with in-game reasons why wizards do not sell their wares to just anybody with ready cash. You want to talk logic?&nbsp; The dragonhide armor is one of the worst examples of the magic-store economics.&nbsp; A single suit of dragonhide full plate can be made from a Colossal dragon.&nbsp; How many Colossal dragons have been slain in the history of your game world?&nbsp; There are, at maximum, that many suits of dragonhide full plate available.&nbsp; No more.&nbsp; Every single suit is the skin of an Epic wyrm or great wyrm.&nbsp; Yet for its price, it's available in lots of towns.&nbsp; Or scrolls of 9th-level spells; they don't cost that much, so they'd be available in lots of places, but they can only be made by the mightiest of wizards.&nbsp; Why is this wizard scribing and selling scrolls?&nbsp; Tome of +5 to a stat?&nbsp; Costs 25,000 XP.&nbsp; What high-level NPC is so desperate for so much gold that they would make that?&nbsp; With magic store economics, PCs assume that anything in the DMG can be found in a town of the appropriate size.&nbsp; That's ludicrous.&nbsp; Every one of those items is made by an NPC who meets all the prerequisites, has a dire need for gold, is willing to sacrifice his life energy, and doesn't need the resulting item.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Brother MacLaren, post: 2058814, member: 15999"] I have great respect for internal consistency and game logic. I have a greater respect for fun and the feel of a setting. Given a conflict between the two, I'd want the DM to make decisions such that the feel of the setting and the fun of the game are preserved. For example, if the DM and the players like the image of mounted knights, the DM may have to cut back the assumed prevalence of wizards among NPCs to ensure that the cavalry charge is still a potent force on the battlefield - but he can do this without hurting the PCs at all, just ignore the DMG demographics. If the players and DM agree that magic shops detract from the game, then they should feel free to discard them, internal logic be damned. I have no respect at all for the DMG demographics - I didn't buy the DMG as a campaign setting manual. High level NPCs only run around the place if the DM says they do, and even then magic shops only exist if the DM says they do - the DM is free to come up with in-game reasons why wizards do [I]not[/I] sell their wares to just anybody with ready cash. You want to talk logic? The dragonhide armor is one of the worst examples of the magic-store economics. A single suit of dragonhide full plate can be made from a Colossal dragon. How many Colossal dragons have been slain in the history of your game world? There are, at maximum, that many suits of dragonhide full plate available. No more. [I]Every single suit is the skin of an Epic wyrm or great wyrm[/I]. Yet for its price, it's available in lots of towns. Or scrolls of 9th-level spells; they don't cost that much, so they'd be available in lots of places, but they can only be made by the mightiest of wizards. Why is this wizard scribing and selling scrolls? Tome of +5 to a stat? Costs [I]25,000 [/I] XP. What high-level NPC is so desperate for so much gold that they would make that? With magic store economics, PCs assume that anything in the DMG can be found in a town of the appropriate size. That's ludicrous. Every one of those items is made by an NPC who meets all the prerequisites, has a dire need for gold, is willing to sacrifice his life energy, and doesn't need the resulting item. [/QUOTE]

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